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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Cameron,<br>
      <br>
      Have you decided on a committee chair?<br>
      Who will be the point of contact for the board?<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      Angelos<br>
      <br>
      On 10/21/19 8:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:b5b8e366-4976-a555-2ed4-590e59c20ec1@gmail.com">OSGeo
      Board,
      <br>
      <br>
      On behalf of Ron, Reese and myself, I've added an item to the
      board agenda requested the board's approval for the setting up of
      an OSGeo Lexicon Committee. Unfortunately none of us will be awake
      during this meeting so will not be in a position to discuss the
      proposal in person. Hopefully if you have any questions you can
      raise them before hand in this email thread.
      <br>
      <br>
      We have started a wiki page for the committee here:
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Lexicon_Committee">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Lexicon_Committee</a>
      <br>
      <br>
      Thanks in advance, Cameron
      <br>
      <br>
      On 19/10/19 4:15 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <br>
        Angelos, the other end of the day would probably be easier. I
        think this link shows board locations along with Ron (Hong Kong)
        and Reese (Tokyo).
        <br>
        <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?year=2019&month=10&day=20&p1=240&p2=248&p3=102&p4=269&p5=250&p6=26&p7=37&p8=286&p9=734">https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?year=2019&month=10&day=20&p1=240&p2=248&p3=102&p4=269&p5=250&p6=26&p7=37&p8=286&p9=734</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?year=2019&month=10&day=19&p1=240&p2=248&p3=102&p4=269&p5=250&p6=26&p7=37&p8=286&p9=734"><https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?year=2019&month=10&day=19&p1=240&p2=248&p3=102&p4=269&p5=250&p6=26&p7=37&p8=286&p9=734></a>
        <br>
        <br>
        Does anyone else from the OSGeo board have an opinion on this
        proposal and wish to share it? We could make the meeting
        coordination easier if we narrow participation to only those
        with an interest and an opinion.
        <br>
        <br>
        On 18/10/19 8:16 pm, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
          <br>
          <br>
          In that case we should probably arrange a specific call for
          this topic.
          <br>
          I think the only working timeslot would be around 20:00-22:00
          UTC
          <br>
          <br>
          On 10/17/19 9:24 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">Angelos, the board meeting is 3am for
            me. The 3 of us involved are in this Asian/Australia
            timezone.
            <br>
            <br>
            Reese, we can get you set up with IRC (Internet Chat Relay)
            quite easily. It is text based only. Quickest way to get
            started is with the web client:
            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://webchat.freenode.net/">https://webchat.freenode.net/</a>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 17/10/19 10:19 pm, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rplews@tc211tmg.org">rplews@tc211tmg.org</a> wrote:
            <br>
            <blockquote type="cite">hello Angelos, thank you for the
              invitation, two issues for me, local time is 1am and i
              have never done Internet Relay Chat. i can do skype or
              zoom. if you have another time/date let me know.  sorry
              about this time.
              <br>
              reese
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                  ----- Original Message -----
              <br>
                  From:
              <br>
                  "Angelos Tzotsos" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com"><gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com></a>
              <br>
              <br>
                  To:
              <br>
                  "Cameron Shorter" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"><cameron.shorter@gmail.com></a>,
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:standards@lists.osgeo.org"><standards@lists.osgeo.org></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org">"board@lists.osgeo.org"</a>
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org"><board@lists.osgeo.org></a>, "OSGeo Discussions"
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><discuss@lists.osgeo.org></a>
              <br>
                  Cc:
              <br>
                  "Reese Plews" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rplews@gmail.com"><rplews@gmail.com></a>
              <br>
                  Sent:
              <br>
                  Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:14:37 +0300
              <br>
                  Subject:
              <br>
                  Re: [OSGeo-Standards] [Board] glossary discussion on
              <br>
                  osgeo-standards ....
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                  Hi all,
              <br>
              <br>
                  Would someone be available to join our next board
              meeting to
              <br>
                  discuss this issue?
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-10-28">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-10-28</a>
              <br>
              <br>
                  Regards,
              <br>
                  Angelos
              <br>
              <br>
                  On 10/15/19 9:52 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
              <br>
              <br>
                      OSGeo Board, OSGeo Discuss,
              <br>
              <br>
                      I'd like to introduce you to this proposal that
              Ron and Reese
              <br>
                      have been developing on the OSGeo Standards email
              list, which
              <br>
                      I think should fit under the legal structure of an
              OSGeo
              <br>
                      Committee.
              <br>
              <br>
                      I have vague recollections that setting up a
              committee
              <br>
                      requires board approval? I've found some old tips
              on running a
              <br>
                      committee here:
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines</a>
              <br>
              <br>
                      Comments welcomed.
              <br>
              <br>
                      On 15/10/19 4:47 pm, Ronald Tse wrote:
              <br>
              <br>
                          Hi Cameron,
              <br>
              <br>
                          Thank you for the suggestions! I have updated
              the proposal
              <br>
                          to reflect your comments below.
              <br>
              <br>
                          I would be honored to help with terminology
              management at
              <br>
                          OSGeo. Can’t speak for Reese but with his
              leadership in
              <br>
                          already doing terminology cleanup on
              Felicity’s sheet, he
              <br>
                          seems pretty committed already :-)
              <br>
              <br>
                          Ron
              <br>
              <br>
                          ———
              <br>
              <br>
                          Recommendations for OSGeo terminology
              management
              <br>
              <br>
                          1. Establish a terminology management group in
              OSGeo.
              <br>
              <br>
                          ISO/TC 211, IEC Electropedia and OGC all have
              one for
              <br>
                          terminology management. The existence of this
              group is
              <br>
                          crucial to the success of the OSGeo
              terminology database.
              <br>
                          It will play two essential roles:
              <br>
              <br>
                          a) As the gatekeeper of terms to ensure
              quality checks of
              <br>
                          contributions
              <br>
                          b) As the seat of central terminology
              knowledge for
              <br>
                          alignment of terms and concepts. To facilitate
              the flow of
              <br>
                          terminology knowledge to terminology authors
              and users.
              <br>
              <br>
                          It would be helpful to involve representation
              from ISO/TC
              <br>
                          211 and OGC in this group, in order to
              leverage their
              <br>
                          experience in terminology. Such experience
              will be useful
              <br>
                          in situations such as alerting on
              cross-organization
              <br>
                          alignment of concepts or term duplication.
              <br>
              <br>
                          An email list shall be setup for this group
              for internal
              <br>
                          communication.
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                          2. Establish a terms of reference for
              terminology management.
              <br>
              <br>
                          For the terminology management group, a terms
              of reference
              <br>
                          should be produced so that the steps for
              approval and data
              <br>
                          quality requirements are clear. This should be
              openly
              <br>
                          shared with contributors so they are clear on
              acceptance
              <br>
                          criteria.
              <br>
              <br>
                          Contributors may propose changes to the
              terminology
              <br>
                          database at any time. The terminology
              management group
              <br>
                          shall discuss and approve or disapprove of the
              proposal
              <br>
                          within a reasonable timeframe. This practice
              is in-line
              <br>
                          with the open source, change-based,
              rapid iteration
              <br>
                          mantra, similar to OpenSSL.
              <br>
              <br>
                          For releases, the group shall convene
              periodically, such
              <br>
                          as every 4-6 months, to discuss previously
              decided
              <br>
                          proposals, governance or technical issues
              related to
              <br>
                          terminology management.
              <br>
              <br>
                          The method of submitting change requests shall
              also be
              <br>
                          determined and announced so that contributors
              understand
              <br>
                          the necessary processes and timeline.
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                          3. Establish an online terminology database
              presence.
              <br>
              <br>
                          Terminology isn’t useful until people use
              them, which
              <br>
                          means people need to first know they exist and
              what they
              <br>
                          mean. Geolexica is an initiative that
              currently serves
              <br>
                          ISO/TC 211’s terminology management group in
              making its
              <br>
                          multi-lingual geographic information
              terminology available
              <br>
                          on the internet (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.geolexica.org">https://www.geolexica.org</a>).
              We propose to
              <br>
                          use <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://osgeo.geolexica.org/">https://osgeo.geolexica.org/</a> to serve
              OSGeo in
              <br>
                          managing its terminology database. Geolexica
              not only
              <br>
                          serves human-readable concepts and terms, but
              also serves
              <br>
                          in machine-readable JSON, allowing APIs to
              directly
              <br>
                          consume the content.
              <br>
              <br>
                          The structure of Geolexica is designed for
              efficiency with
              <br>
                          streamlined management and operations. Terms
              are stored in
              <br>
                          structured data (YAML) files, and are directly
              deployable
              <br>
                          to the website. The website operates according
              to best
              <br>
                          practices, and is served as a static
              website with dynamic
              <br>
                          search functionality. Security and performance
              have always
              <br>
                          been key considerations.
              <br>
              <br>
                          For terms that originate from other
              authoritative
              <br>
                          terminology databases, such as those from ISO
              or OGC, a
              <br>
                          linkage shall be established from the OSGeo
              terminology
              <br>
                          database back to the source.
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                          4. Use an issue tracker with source code
              management
              <br>
                          functionality as an open communication
              platform (e.g.
              <br>
                          GitHub).
              <br>
              <br>
                          The issue tracker is used to perform two-way
              communication
              <br>
                          between OSGeo members and the contributors.
              This requires
              <br>
                          every contributor to at least have an account,
              which helps
              <br>
                          minimize spam. The source code management
              functionality is
              <br>
                          used to manage terminology data in a
              machine-useable way.
              <br>
              <br>
                          There are generally two types of contributors:
              <br>
              <br>
                          a) those who suggest changes via textual
              description, and
              <br>
                          b) those who suggest changes but can also
              format the
              <br>
                          desired content in the data format used by the
              terminology
              <br>
                          database.
              <br>
              <br>
                          People can easily help out with the former in
              formatting
              <br>
                          the changes into a proper data structure
              change. This
              <br>
                          allows the terminology management group to
              directly
              <br>
                          approve, merge and deploy the proposed term
              modifications
              <br>
                          (and creations, deletions), all made
              effective with a
              <br>
                          single click.
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                          5. Allow easy feedback from terminology users.
              <br>
              <br>
                          To minimize friction in the feedback process,
              for every
              <br>
                          term offered in the OSGeo terminology pages we
              can offer a
              <br>
                          “propose new term” and “propose changes to
              this term"
              <br>
                          buttons. This allows user to directly go to
              the issue
              <br>
                          platform (e.g. GitHub) to make the
              suggested changes.
              <br>
              <br>
                          A “contributors guide” document will greatly
              help these
              <br>
                          people make the proper suggestions and have
              them formatted
              <br>
                          correctly.
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                          6. Initial load and data cleanup.
              <br>
              <br>
                          The initial load of the terms will involve a
              bulk load
              <br>
                          from the cleaned terms and definitions that
              Felicity has
              <br>
                          compiled. Geolexica could easily handle the
              initial
              <br>
                          conversion from table format into the desired
              structured
              <br>
                          data format.
              <br>
              <br>
                          The cleanup process has already been started
              by Reese
              <br>
                          Plews, convenor of the TMG at ISO/TC 211.
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
                          _____________________________________
              <br>
              <br>
                          Ronald Tse
              <br>
                          Ribose Inc.
              <br>
              <br>
                              On Oct 10, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Cameron
              Shorter
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"><cameron.shorter@gmail.com></a> wrote:
              <br>
              <br>
                              Hi Ron,
              <br>
              <br>
                              I really like your proposal. It looks very
              practical,
              <br>
                              should address quality requirements, and
              should be
              <br>
                              relatively light weight to manage. Some
              <br>
                              comments/suggestions:
              <br>
              <br>
                              * You might want to mention the approach
              to your first
              <br>
                              load of terms, which probably should
              involve a bulk
              <br>
                              load from a derivative of the terms that
              Felicity has
              <br>
                              compiled.
              <br>
              <br>
                              * I suggest we set up an email list to
              discuss terms.
              <br>
                              OSGeo can provide that for us, and I can
              coordinate
              <br>
                              that, once we have agreed on our approach.
              <br>
              <br>
                              * I suggest that an updating the glossary
              be tied to a
              <br>
                              periodic event, at least annually. I think
              we should
              <br>
                              tie in with the OSGeoLive annual build
              cycle for this.
              <br>
              <br>
                              * You haven't mentioned
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://osgeo.geolexica.org/">https://osgeo.geolexica.org/</a>
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://osgeo.geolexica.org/"><https://osgeo.geolexica.org/></a> in your description.
              I
              <br>
                              assume that would be part of the solution?
              If so, I
              <br>
                              suggest mentioning it.
              <br>
              <br>
                              * Another project I'm helping start up is
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://thegooddocsproject.dev/">https://thegooddocsproject.dev/</a>
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://thegooddocsproject.dev/"><https://thegooddocsproject.dev/></a> (Writing templates
              <br>
                              to make good docs for open source
              projects). I expect
              <br>
                              that the solution you are proposing would
              be valuable
              <br>
                              for a wide variety of domains, and should
              be captured
              <br>
                              as best practices in TheGoodDocsProject.
              At some point
              <br>
                              in the future, I'm hoping that you might
              provide a
              <br>
                              generic version of your suggestions for
              others to
              <br>
                              follow too.
              <br>
              <br>
                              Feel free to add your ideas below into the
              wiki at:
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeolive/wiki/Glossary%20terms">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeolive/wiki/Glossary%20terms</a>
              <br>
              <br>
                              (Maybe add "DRAFT" at the top, until we
              have the
              <br>
                              process set up.)
              <br>
              <br>
                              * Ron and Reese, I'm hoping that you both
              will
              <br>
                              continue to provide the leadership and
              stewardship of
              <br>
                              the community as it grows? Your advice has
              been great
              <br>
                              to date.
              <br>
              <br>
                              Warm regards, Cameron
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