<div dir="ltr">No I think I should be a contributor for the "how to" not a driver.<div><br></div><div>NB I'm preparing some docs for the OGC Definitions Server - would appreciate some review and feedback to make it useful to folks like yourselves..</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Rob Atkinson <</span><a href="mailto:kstegemoller@ogc.org" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">ratkinson@ogc.org</a><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">></span><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Senior Research Engineer</span><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)</span><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/" rel="noreferrer" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/</a><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><br style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">The OGC: Making location count.</span><br></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:38 AM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Jorge,<br>
Here is another request to set up an email list. Hope you have some <br>
bandwidth to set up for us:<br>
<a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2377#ticket" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2377#ticket</a><br>
<br>
Rob, speak up if you would like your name added to the email list admin.<br>
<br>
On 5/11/19 7:24 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
> Thanks for the research Helena,<br>
> <br>
> It sounds like an OSGeo Special Interest Group will address our Lexicon <br>
> Committee requirements. Unless there are any objections, I propose to <br>
> push forward with our agenda of setting up an email list, building a <br>
> committee, selecting a chair, and getting some work done.<br>
> <br>
> If you have any objections, please respond ASAP, ideally within the next <br>
> 48 hours.<br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> <br>
> Further to Helena's research:<br>
> <br>
> * Yes, I'd suggest special interest groups should be listed on the website.<br>
> <br>
> * I found this page: <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Interest_Groups" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Interest_Groups</a> which <br>
> I'd suggest should be made official by the board. It currently states: <br>
> "This page documents the current dicsussion and has not yet been <br>
> approved as official OSGeo policy!"<br>
> <br>
> * The OSGeo Standards Committee should get a page somewhere. I'm pretty <br>
> sure it had one before, but I can't find it now.<br>
> <br>
> On 2/11/19 1:22 pm, Helena Mitasova wrote:<br>
>> I looked into this a little bit and I did not find any Standards <br>
>> committee here<br>
>> <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/</a><br>
>> <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page</a><br>
>> <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/board/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/about/board/</a><br>
>><br>
>> But I found OSGeo Standards special interest group and associated <br>
>> mailing list:<br>
>> <a href="http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Special-Interest-Groups-f5179645.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Special-Interest-Groups-f5179645.html</a><br>
>> <a href="http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Standards-f5012448.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Standards-f5012448.html</a><br>
>> Interestingly enough, I could not find the special interest groups on <br>
>> the new website - is it something that should be added there?<br>
>><br>
>> I don’t think that board vote is needed to establish a special <br>
>> interest group and mailing list,<br>
>> But the board can voice support and endorsement - I would like to <br>
>> voice my support here if the special interest group is the way to go.<br>
>><br>
>> Cameron, if you think that it would be better to have Lexicon as an <br>
>> official OSGeo committee (with everything that comes with it, see<br>
>> <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines</a>), then apparently, <br>
>> the board needs to vote to approve the committee chair<br>
>> according to the guidelines (which I believe are partially based on <br>
>> the bylaws).<br>
>><br>
>> I hope this clarifies the process somewhat and cameron please let us <br>
>> know which way you would like to go,<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks a lot for the initiative, Helena<br>
>><br>
>>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 9:13 PM, Cameron Shorter <br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Astroidex, Kalxas, Delawen, Helena, OSGeo Board,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Do my answers below address your questions re setting up an OSGeo <br>
>>> Lexicon committee?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Within the next few weeks I'm hoping to reach out to those from the <br>
>>> OSGeo community who have provided glossaries and are likely to be <br>
>>> interested in joining a Lexicon committee. From that committee we can <br>
>>> elect a chair.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'm prefer to have the OSGeo Board's blessing before progressing <br>
>>> further. Is that something you'd be prepared to provide?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers, Cameron<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 30/10/19 10:17 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi Angelos, board,<br>
>>>> That is a good question. Working the lexicon community within the <br>
>>>> standards committee is something we should consider. While I <br>
>>>> wouldn't want to rule it out as an option, I'd vote -0 for it.<br>
>>>> My reasoning:<br>
>>>> * The lexicon committee is only focusing on one very narrow use case <br>
>>>> within the greater OSGeo/Standards space.<br>
>>>> * The standards committee has a very board focus across all <br>
>>>> standards related use cases. In particular, it has focused on <br>
>>>> managing the relationship between OSGeo and OGC.<br>
>>>> * The lexicon committee will be very noisy within this very specific <br>
>>>> lexicon use case. People interested in general standards will be <br>
>>>> swapped with emails and I predict we will very quickly kill off any <br>
>>>> other standards related conversations due to the noise.<br>
>>>> * The standards committee is relatively quiet, and it could be <br>
>>>> argued that we could consider retiring the standards committee and <br>
>>>> restart it as a lexicon committee. I don't think this is the case. I <br>
>>>> think the standards committee still has meaning and purpose.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> For these reasons, I believe the Lexicon and Standards committees <br>
>>>> should be kept separate.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> For my next steps, I'm hoping to follow this process:<br>
>>>> 1. Get endorsement from the board.<br>
>>>> 2. Create a new <a href="mailto:lexicon@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">lexicon@lists.osgeo.org</a> <br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lexicon@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">lexicon@lists.osgeo.org</a>> email list<br>
>>>> 3. Reach out to OSGeo projects and invite them to join the list and <br>
>>>> participate in a committee<br>
>>>> 4. Boostrap a lexicon committee<br>
>>>> 5. Committee members to vote for a committee chair<br>
>>>> 6. Start getting serious about the work we are doing.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm hoping that the board can discuss via email, ask questions which <br>
>>>> I'll answer, then we can set up a motion and help us move through <br>
>>>> the steps above.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Warm regards, Cameron<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> For reference, I've copied comments from the board meeting:<br>
>>>> <a href="http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2019-10-28.log" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2019-10-28.log</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 16:22:49 helena_: #7 Lexicon committee<br>
>>>> 16:23:13 helena_: they keep changing the name but it is an <br>
>>>> important initiative<br>
>>>> 16:23:37 astroidex: just a question. Could it be part of one <br>
>>>> existing committee?<br>
>>>> 16:23:47 delawen: (I'm back did I miss any voting?)<br>
>>>> 16:23:50 kalxas: I am wondering why this has to be a separate <br>
>>>> committee from standards<br>
>>>> 16:24:03 astroidex: same for me<br>
>>>> 16:24:06 kalxas: delawen, no :)<br>
>>>> 16:24:19 astroidex: it could be part of education<br>
>>>> 16:24:38 delawen: if they feel they have enough work to be <br>
>>>> isolated... see no reason why not<br>
>>>> 16:24:43 astroidex: <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/</a><br>
>>>> 16:24:44 sigq: Title: Committees - OSGeo (at <a href="http://www.osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.osgeo.org</a> <br>
>>>> <<a href="http://www.osgeo.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/</a>>)<br>
>>>> 16:24:44 kalxas: given that OGC and ISO are involved, I think it <br>
>>>> should be standards<br>
>>>> 16:24:53 delawen: but I would give them some time to do stuff <br>
>>>> before making them official<br>
>>>> 16:25:41 delawen: If you think it should be standards, we can <br>
>>>> answer them that<br>
>>>> 16:25:41 kalxas: also, we do need a chair to approve them, right?<br>
>>>> 16:26:00 helena_: Angelos - can you please get bcak to Cameron <br>
>>>> with suggestion from the board to make it part of standards?<br>
>>>> 16:26:25 astroidex: good idea<br>
>>>> 16:26:44 kalxas: yes, I can follow up<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 02:30, Angelos Tzotsos <<a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a> <br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" target="_blank">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Cameron,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The formation of the lexicon committee was discussed during the<br>
>>>> board<br>
>>>> meeting yesterday.<br>
>>>> One question that came up is: what is the reason this work<br>
>>>> cannot be<br>
>>>> done under the standards committee, since this involves members<br>
>>>> from<br>
>>>> OSGeo, OGC and ISO?<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Cameron Shorter<br>
Technology Demystifier<br>
Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant<br>
<br>
M +61 (0) 419 142 254<br>
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