<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Tom,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Well done for progressing this. The overall intent is good.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some comments:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. The MOU</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class="">Associate Membership. This is a welcome change and will open up participation in OGC teams. Recalling Cameron Shorters comments, it will negate the need for OSGeo to find an agreed position on Voting issues if the membership was increased to Technical. Given our loose community this is probably a good thing. It will not negate the need for OSGeo to develop processes to ensure that OSGeo Members who take up these OGC membership slots act in good faith as representatives of OSGeo.</li></ul><div class=""><br class=""></div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" id="docs-internal-guid-4f93d4ae-7fff-c77e-10bf-0a78d9f4a1a5" class="">"OGC will waive the Trademark License fee associated with Compliance certification”. This statement is constrained to only those open source applications that are selected as Reference Implementations with some additional constraints.</span></li><ul class=""><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">While this mechanism is welcome, it is quite restrictive.</span></li><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Perhaps a better way to handle this is to waive Trademark License fees on Compliance Certification for ***any*** open source product that passes compliance test procedures. This approach will have many flow on benefits, including:</span></li><ul class=""><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Encourage open source projects to pursue compliance certification. As it stands most projects have limited resources and it is very unlikely that these scarce resources will be spent on a certification process.</span></li><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Provide more products that are compliant with OGC Standards</span></li><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Make it easier for proprietary software products that embed open source products to get certification</span></li><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Make available a range of source code that passes certification to proprietary software vendors to guide their proprietary certification efforts</span></li><li class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">improve the ease of adoption of open spatial standards by end users</span></li></ul></ul></ul><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">The MOU places obligations on both OGC and OSGeo. What thought has been given to mechanisms to ensure that these obligations are met?</span></font></li></ul><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">2. Community engagement</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">There has not been a lot of community engagement in this issue.</span></font></li><li class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">The OGC is currently going through a renaissance in the modernisation of open spatial standards.</span></font></li><li class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">To begin to bring the OSGeo Community along for the journey, I think that we need a way of getting people up to speed with what is happening in the Open Spatial Standards space.</span></font></li></ul><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">@Scott,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Can I suggest that you point OSGeo Members to some primer material to start this process? I expect that much of this already exists. Some suggestions:</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: Arial;" class="">Why are open spatial standards important? </span></li></ul></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: Arial;" class="">Why should I provide open spatial standards capability in my (open source) product?</span></li></ul></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: Arial;" class="">What is the easiest way to learn about the open spatial standards approaches to doing things?</span></li></ul></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: Arial;" class="">What is the new open spatial standards direction?</span></li></ul><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: Arial;" class="">How do a go about my learning process?</span></li></ul><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: Arial;" class="">How are standards developed? How han I best participate and collaborate?</span></li></ul></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Kind regards,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Bruce</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><span style="font-size: 14.666666984558105px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 10 Aug 2021, at 00:55, Tom Kralidis <<a href="mailto:tomkralidis@gmail.com" class="">tomkralidis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi everyone: hope you are all doing well. Per subject and [1][2], we have been working</div><div class="">with OGC to renew our Memorandum of Understanding, and now have a draft (Exhibit A) of</div><div class="">the MOU for your review and comment.<br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="">Please see [3] for your review, comment and input. Anyone with the link should be able to</div><div class="">comment in the document.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is an important time for the updated MOU. Open Source and Open Standards are</div><div class="">natural, healthy and evolving, and this MOU will grow the collaboration between our</div><div class="">organizations especially given OGC's increasing focus on developers. Note that the MOU</div><div class="">provides OSGeo an Associate Membership as well as the opportunity for input into the next</div><div class="">generation of compliance testing (CITE).<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Input and feedback is requested by Friday, 03 September 2021 at 12h UTC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If there are no major issues, we will put the MOU for approval at the F2F Board meeting following</div><div class="">FOSS4G 2021.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks in advance.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On behalf of those involved in updating the MOU (OGC, OSGeo MOU Review Team).<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">..Tom</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/MoU_OGC/Review_2020" target="_blank" class="">https://wiki.<span class="">osgeo</span>.org/wiki/MoU_OGC/Review_2020</a></div><div class="">[2] <a href="https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/osgeo/todo/issues/80" target="_blank" class="">https://git.<span class="">osgeo</span>.org/gitea/<span class="">osgeo</span>/todo/issues/80</a></div><div class="">[3] <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNbDCkmjqfOtrUjOLkYNNhKhtPzXI_uCAC4R-l8drbY" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LNbDCkmjqfOtrUjOLkYNNhKhtPzXI_uCAC4R-l8drbY</a></div></div>
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