<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">(@Rob A, please see question to you below)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Hello Henrique,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I can see that this is an issue that you are passionate about.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you for raising it with the list. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At the moment, I’m more focussed with lifting the level of discussion on open spatial standards within our community and do not wish to get diverted towards a single issue.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some immediate thoughts after having a quick look at the references provided below:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><ul class="MailOutline"><li class="">There are many ways of addressing spatial issues. </li></ul><div class=""><br class=""></div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class="">It will usually depend on the specific context that an individual, or community is trying to address to find the appropriate approach for that context.</li><ul class=""><li class="">Using an analogy, it is my experience that "one size, does not fit all”. </li></ul></ul><div class=""><br class=""></div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class="">So what is right for one context, may not be appropriate for another.</li></ul><div class=""><br class=""></div><ul class="MailOutline"><li class="">I recall a good example from number of years ago when I was working in the geoscience domain. </li><ul class=""><li class="">We were modelling surface geology. </li><li class="">The data was created by geoscientists interpreting a set of field observations, soil samples, drill hole data, aeromagnetics etc.</li><li class="">They developed a dataset covering an area. This dataset was a subjective representation of the available facts.</li><li class="">With more source observations, the subjective representation could, and did, change.</li><li class=""><br class=""></li><li class="">Several years after the dataset was created, we found that a different government department had implemented laws that referenced that dataset as an authoritative source for an entirely different purpose.</li><li class=""><br class=""></li><li class="">To the geoscientists, the legislated use of the data was entirely inappropriate and a misuse of ’their’ data.</li><li class="">To those that defined the laws, the use of the data was essential as there was no appropriate alternative. </li></ul></ul></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This difference in use and requirements is embedded as a foundation within open spatial standards.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Standards are expected to address the “Universe of Discourse” within their conceptual modelling and define the context that the standard is expected to address. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Most standards are quite generic, however some can be very specific to domain requirements that they are addressing, e.g. the WaterML 2 suite of standards to the Hydrology domain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">@Rob A (and others),</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can you think of a good ***introductory*** reference that effectively describes the “Universe of Discourse” concept?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 4 Sep 2021, at 01:17, Munich Orientation Convention <<a href="mailto:volksnav@volksnav.de" class="">volksnav@volksnav.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Hi Bruce,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">your vita<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">,</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>including<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">your work for ISO TC 211,</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">let me be sure</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that you’re the right person<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">to moderate a</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">consumer friendly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>discussion<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>about a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">standard<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>demand which OSM could easily cover<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.volksnav.de/aSimpleCircle" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.volksnav.de/aSimpleCircle</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I’d like to start with two questions:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">does a demand for consumer friendly location codes<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" class=""><a href="http://www.volksnav.de/alternatives" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.volksnav.de/alternatives</a><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>exist</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">or not</span>?<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If yes, why doesn’t OSM think about an own solution or recommend the best alternative?</span><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Henrique<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Standards mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; 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