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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>What if we never reach any consensus on the voting rules ? I'd
say just go ahead with the initial motion, or just unilaterally
decide "as head of the committee, those are the rules we have
decided to bootstrap the comittee". Democratic process can't be
democratically bootstrapped: benevolent dictators needed :-)<br>
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<p>The +2 no -1 rule has been in place for a long time for GDAL,
MapServer, PROJ, etc and has proved to be working (at least
decisions can be taken in those projects), and if someone feels
strong about changing the voting rules, they can always raise a
motion at a later change to change the process.</p>
<p>My 2 cents</p>
<p>Even<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 08/02/2023 à 13:57, Tom Kralidis a
écrit :<br>
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<div>Hi all: given the discussion below, it makes sense for the
Standards Committee to further discuss voting processes before
moving forward. As a result, the motion is withdrawn and will
be submitted for Committee vote once we have the appropriate
clarifications.<br>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div>..Tom<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 12:19
PM Angelos Tzotsos <<a
href="mailto:gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">gcpp.kalxas@gmail.com</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote">ok, I think we need to reach
to some agreement on this before passing <br>
the motion.<br>
<br>
How about we require at least 30% of the votes (4 currently)
and no veto?<br>
<br>
Angelos<br>
<br>
On 2/3/23 18:28, Howard Butler wrote:<br>
> I am also -0. Anything controversial is going to
attract attention and discussion, and anything that is inert
or procedural ends up requiring chasing people to meet
quorum requirements (I think I have resigned from the
Incubation committee three different times as a result of
people chasing votes).<br>
><br>
> Howard<br>
><br>
>> On Feb 3, 2023, at 10:21 AM, Even Rouault <<a
href="mailto:even.rouault@spatialys.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">even.rouault@spatialys.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I'm -0 on the change for a 50% quorum. Other OSGeo
committees have such a quorum rule and struggle with
reaching it because some members over time start become
inactive and don't bother formally resigning, and people
have to spend energy chasing for votes. The 2 +1 no -1 is
very effective to avoid inactive members to become a burden
for the rest of the group.<br>
>><br>
>> Le 03/02/2023 à 12:25, Tom Kralidis a écrit :<br>
>>> Hi Bruce: thanks for the feedback. The voting
period has been extended to one week, with a required 50%
quorum.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Given the change to the ToR, we will need to
re-vote.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I will start with my +1 given the updated ToR.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks<br>
>>><br>
>>> ..Tom<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:15 PM Bruce Bannerman
<<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi Tom,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It is good to see this development!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I’m in broad support of the TOR as at [1]
below.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Two suggestions:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Voting:<br>
>>>> I think that the two day limit on voting is
too short, based on my experiences with the Incubation
Committee.<br>
>>>> Time needs to be allowed for members to
find the proposal, review a proposal, think about it and
then vote.<br>
>>>> When committee members are busy,
travelling, on holidays etc, 2 days is too short.<br>
>>>> I suggest a one week limit to each vote.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Quorum [2]<br>
>>>> I think that a Quorum of two is too small.<br>
>>>> Is the committee expecting minimal input
from members? If so then I’d question the raison d'etre of
the committee.<br>
>>>> Perhaps set the Quorum at 51% of votes or
something similar?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Kind regards,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Bruce<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> [2] <a
href="https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/quorum"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/quorum</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On 2 Feb 2023, at 01:44, Tom Kralidis
<<a href="mailto:tomkralidis@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tomkralidis@gmail.com</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:tomkralidis@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tomkralidis@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Hi all: triggered by our recently
updated MOU with OGC, and as discussed/presented at FOSS4G
Florence, various members of the OSGeo standards community
have been working together to establish a dedicated OSGeo
Standards Committee. The first order of business is to put
forth a Terms of Reference as part of bootstrapping.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The Terms of Reference can be found in
[1].<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> As part of bootstrapping, the ToR needs
to be agreed upon by the initial Committee membership. Once
consensus is reached, then the Committee creation can be
discussed at the next OSGeo Board meeting (end February) for
Board approval.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I will start with my +1.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ..Tom<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> [1] <a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Standards_Committee#Terms_of_Reference"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Standards_Committee#Terms_of_Reference</a><br>
>>>>>
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President<br>
Open Source Geospatial Foundation<br>
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