[Ubuntu] UbuntuGIS PSC Creation

[Alan Boudreault]

I agree with Hamish that, most importantly, what UbuntuGIS needs is 
developers. People that are able to package. Ideally people that are 
interested to also help DebianGIS. DebianGIS also need packagers. So 
having a PSC without developers/packagers doesn't make sense to me. I'm 
still very supportive to have users/people to help with all other PSC 
tasks though.

On 13-11-13 02:22 PM, Alex Mandel wrote:
> On 11/13/2013 02:58 AM, Hamish wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Alex:
>>> and even making sure we have 1 person who is both DebianGIS and
>>> Ubuntugis for coordination.
>> without getting too presumptuous, Frankie L. is an obvious person to
>> approach, but failing that that a crossover person could be me, but
>> tbh I'm not really sure how a PSC would actually benefit UbuntuGIS or
>> OSGeo. A PSC is good for making strategic and political decisions, but
>> 95% of our issues are technical ones where the wider pool of
>> developers participate in "may the soundest idea win". The main
>> strategic decision we have right now is the repo re-naming, which I
>> think most of us are in fair agreement about anyway.
>>
>> I'm all for breathing life into the project in whatever way we can,
>> but at the same time am concerned about adding new layers of
>> bureaucracy which might morph into a time+energy sink/inefficiency,
>> and avoiding the situation of too many chiefs & not enough braves.
>> Another thing to be concerned with in small groups like ours is to
>> avoid the appearance of a cabal, where new contributors don't feel
>> part of the technical decision making group, and we desperately need
>> those new contributors to be part of the technical decision making
>> group.. On the other hand I fully accept Alan's concerns about his
>> bus factor, in DebianGIS for a long time we've relied on Frankie
>> in the same way.
>>
>>
>> just some thoughts,
>> Hamish
>>
> Agreed the PSC isn't about trying to exclude people from the
> discussions. In fact I would suggest that even though a PSC is being
> created there are no PSC only discussions and that just because a PSC
> exists does not mean it has to have the only votes that count. We can
> easily say the rule is we take the community decision that is 95-100% in
> agreement (essentially consensus of participants).
>
> There are only a few key things the PSC handles:
> Adding/Approving Committers/Uploaders
> Approving the community recommendations for repo naming/roadmap
> Admin rights to the trac, launchpad and mailing list
> Being the official contact people
> Facilitating community discussions
> Reminding people of their commitments (agreed maintainers), and
> soliciting new maintainers when we need them (see item 1).
>
>
> I'll note OSGeo Live has an informal PSC committee just by the nature of
> who participates in the decisions: Hamish, Angelos, Cameron, Brian and me
> And we already operate in a similar manner where technical issues are
> openly discussed until we reach a conclusion everyone agrees to (or
> doesn't outright object to).
>
> I'm not too concerned about too many Chiefs in this particular project.
> We mostly just want to improve the efficiency since right now packaging
> uploading is completely on the fly which leads to some duplication of
> effort or standing around and waiting when know one knows who's planning
> to upload what or when.
>
> I'd probably be the only Chief since I still haven't managed to
> successfully upload what should be simple updates, everyone else here
> seems to have a handle on how to get packages in.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
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