<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Alex Mandel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tech_dev@wildintellect.com" target="_blank">tech_dev@wildintellect.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 11/06/2013 12:41 PM, Ivan Mincik wrote:<br>
> Dear Alan, at first thank You for Your work (and also for work of others in<br>
> this project). I am following UbuntuGIS for some time and I started to<br>
> maintain my own PPA fork [1] some time ago, because I needed full control<br>
> of packages. I am little bit involved in packaging. Here is my opinion:<br>
><br>
> 1. This project definitely needs a strong leader with experience.<br>
><br>
</div>Or PSC, I don't think there needs to be one person in charge if there's<br>
a group that meets regularly to set the items below.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Agreed.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
> 2. UbuntuGIS lacks clear roadmap. Maybe it is loosing skilled hands just<br>
> because they are not aware about fact they are needed. Preparing roadmap<br>
> must by one of the most important tasks of project leader and PSC.<br>
><br>
</div>It doesn't seem like this would be hard to write up if a few of us met<br>
online for a few minutes.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 3. Other very important task is clearly stated work flow in terms how to<br>
> cooperate with Debian on regular basis.<br>
><br>
</div>Agreed, seems recent meetings might have started down this path.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 4. Still at least by my opinion, the PPA naming stable, testing, unstable<br>
> is very confusing for all newcomers which automatically expect the same<br>
> behavior as in Debian. If this schema remains the same, or it will change<br>
> to something other, it needs clearly documented workflow how packages<br>
> migrates from testing, staging to production and how often and under which<br>
> circumstances production packages are upgraded.<br>
><br>
</div>I agree this is confusing and maybe the roadmap helps clear it up.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> 5. As in other voluntary projects, there is a lack of manpower. But on the<br>
> other hand, there are no rules which new contributors or uploaders must<br>
> meet. Also I do not see any list of free tasks for new people.<br>
><br>
</div>I'm not aware of anyone being a designated maintainer, so its more a<br>
free for all once someone is granted access. Maybe we need to keep a<br>
list of who is responsible for what, of course when one project needs<br>
half the packages rebuilt that gets tricky to coordinate/wait.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
> 6. The last one is the question if there is some possibility to get some<br>
> support from OSGeo [2] ?<br>
><br>
</div>What kind of support besides the mailing list, trac site, summer of code<br>
spot?<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Some time ago I was pointed by somebody to that wiki page about 'OSGeo Binary Distributions'. I have realized that until now there is no official, up-to-date and well maintained GIS packages distribution for Linux which OSGeo can recommend as the number one. I really appreciate very much the work of Debian|Ubuntu GIS people, but it is still only very good voluntary. To be successful in enterprise deployment one needs predictable and stable maintenance of packages, something similar as '<span class="">OpenGeo Suite' is. Isn't that one of the goals of OSGeo ? What if UbuntuGIS would be that official packages distribution for OSGeo ? As Frank said, it is even possible to get some financial support once the project is accepted in to incubator. I think that there should be much more other benefits to exist under trusted organization.<br>
</span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Thanks,<br>
Alex<br>
<div class=""><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
> Even if these goals are unrealistic, I think having them is must for<br>
> further grow of this project.<br>
><br>
> 1 - <a href="https://launchpad.net/~imincik/+archive/gis" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/~imincik/+archive/gis</a><br>
> 2 - <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Binary_Distribution" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Binary_Distribution</a><br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Ivan Mincik<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Alan Boudreault <<a href="mailto:aboudreault@mapgears.com">aboudreault@mapgears.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> As a few of you may already know, I've recently decided to quit my job at<br>
>> Mapgears (<a href="http://t.co/aIgMAFlf2h" target="_blank">http://t.co/aIgMAFlf2h</a>). I'm still working at Mapgears as a<br>
>> part-time job but my availability for ubuntugis is limited.<br>
>><br>
>> For to goodness of UbuntuGIS, I would like to create a PSC (Project<br>
>> Steering Committee) for the project. There are many competent people on<br>
>> this list and a lot of ubuntu users. The PSC responsabilities would include:<br>
>><br>
>> - setting the overall development road map<br>
>> - improve collaboration with DebianGIS<br>
>> - trying to bring more developers!<br>
>> - etc.<br>
>><br>
>> I also think UbuntuGIS needs a new senior package maintainer. Jérome did a<br>
>> great job during the summer and will continue to work on the project with<br>
>> Mapgears.. but he is still at school for the moment.<br>
>><br>
>> I'd like to hear what you think...<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards,<br>
>> Alan<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Alan Boudreault<br>
>> <a href="http://www.mapgears.com/" target="_blank">http://www.mapgears.com/</a><br>
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