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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Just to be pedantic on
the analogy front, the <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Pirate</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Bay</st1:PlaceType> analogy is not accurate, if you download something
from a torrent site like <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Pirate</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Bay</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, you will be
downloading a small torrent file which is not illegal. If you then use the
torrent file with a torrent client to download what ever target file the
torrent is distributing (i.e. a film, postcode data etc.) you will be
illegally distributing the target file (if it is copyrighted material) because
of the nature of a peer to peer distribution network in which you both download
and upload the target file to/from other peoples computers simultaneously. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>In the case of wiki
leaks if you chose to download the postcode data you are not simultaneously
uploading it over a peer to peer network and therefore not actively distributing
it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>It’s therefore not
the same. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>As to whether it’s
illegal just to download copyright material I’m not sure if the act
itself is illegal. It is though, as we are all aware, an infringement to have unlicensed/out
of licence material on your computer so it’s a mute point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Maybe this is a good opportunity
to discuss what open source/free geocoding resources there are out there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>I have use this site ‘</span></font><a
href="http://www.batchgeocode.com/">http://www.batchgeocode.com/</a>’<font
size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Helvetica;color:navy'> to batch geocode <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">uk</st1:place></st1:country-region> address with some degree of success
(about a 80% match), no doubt there are better options available?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Helvetica><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:navy'>Charlie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
uk-bounces@lists.osgeo.org [mailto:uk-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tom (JDi Solutions)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 22 September 2009 11:02<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Joanne Cook<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> osgeo-uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OSGeo-UK] <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> postcode
database</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi all,<br>
<br>
Just in case anyone is in any doubt, it is absolutely illegal to use this data
without a license. Perhaps a better analogy is that of downloading an
album from thepiratebay because this is data that has been created by someone
and protected by copyright as a result. If you didn't pay for the album
you're not legally allowed to download it, the same is true of the postcode
data. Of course it's very useful but Royal Mail have got a history of
pursuing people who attempt to use this stuff illegally. It's a real
shame, personally I'm on the side of the freeourdata campaign but until that
bears fruit I would advise people not to touch this. Especially for use
in the public domain.<br>
<br>
Tom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Joanne Cook <<a
href="mailto:j.cook@oxfordarch.co.uk">j.cook@oxfordarch.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Now this brings up an interesting dilemma- thanks to John for starting
it off!<br>
<br>
On one hand, the UK chapter has a policy of only supporting and documenting
data that is legally freely available, and I think we'd be unwilling to include
anything from wikileaks in that list. However, it's incredibly useful data
that's hard to obtain from any other source, and as someone said recently,
perhaps even about the same leak- you can't put the toothpaste back in the
tube. I hope that this disclosure leads to a better and more open system in
future.<br>
<br>
Jo<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message
-----<br>
From: "Andrew Larcombe" <<a
href="mailto:andrew@andrewlarcombe.co.uk">andrew@andrewlarcombe.co.uk</a>><br>
To: "osgeo-uk" <<a href="mailto:uk@lists.osgeo.org">uk@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
Sent: Monday, 21 September, 2009 17:03:39 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Ireland</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Portugal</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-UK] <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
postcode database<br>
<br>
<br>
On 21 Sep 2009, at 16:40, Barry Rowlingson wrote:<br>
<br>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John A Stevenson<br>
> <<a href="mailto:john.stevenson@manchester.ac.uk">john.stevenson@manchester.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> The <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
postcode database has been posted on Wikileaks.<br>
>><br>
>> Now, just like a TomTom(TM) or GoogleEarth(TM), you too can find<br>
>> the lat-lon<br>
>> of any address in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://wikileaks.org/wiki/" target="_blank">http://wikileaks.org/wiki/</a><br>
>> UK_government_database_of_all_1,841,177_post_codes_together_with_prec<br>
>> ise_geographic_coordinates_and_other_information,_8_Jul_2009<br>
><br>
> What's the difference between that and:<br>
><br>
> "A torrent file of MS Office has been put on <a
href="http://www.thepiratebay.org" target="_blank">www.thepiratebay.org</a>,<br>
> now you too can write documents and make spreadsheets"<br>
><br>
> Whatever we may think of open government and open data, I think the<br>
> postcode database is still copyright material and distribution via<br>
> wikileaks or any other mechanism is surely legally dubious.<br>
<br>
Your analogy doesn't quite hold up as there are many ways to create<br>
documents and spreadsheets, but only one source of data for postcodes.<br>
<br>
It is still copyright though etc...<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
A<br>
<br>
--<br>
Andrew Larcombe<br>
Freelance Geospatial, Database & Web Programming<br>
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