<div dir="ltr">Hi all<div><br></div><div>Rasters Revealed last week was the first time I talked about the OpenTiles.org project, and I did say it was at the alpha stage. Readers of this email are welcome to access the slides and demo links at <a href="http://opentiles.org/rastersrevealed.html">http://opentiles.org/rastersrevealed.html</a>. The slides explain some of the key drivers for the approach being taken. </div><div><br></div><div>Putting a half-finished website up may or may not be a good idea. But I felt that doing so was the best way to knock it into shape. Rasters Revealed and this email is my stuttering attempt to open the project up to peer review. </div><div><br></div><div><div>Steve - Thanks for responding; I'll try to address your points. </div><div><br></div><div>I see OpenTiles.org primarily as a maps project rather than an software project. It is "open" in the sense that material can be freely consumed under an open licence, though it still needs to be determined which one. Getting the right licence is influenced by what status the underlying maps have, and the scans thereof. So far, all the material up there (130,000 sheets worth) is already in the public domain.</div><div><br></div><div>To make it work, I have:</div><div><ol><li>Used open source software as-is<br></li><li>Extended open-source software i.e. added a new provider into the TileStache Python tile server</li><li>Defined a new database schema for tile storage/serving</li></ol></div><div>Re 2: I am happy to release the changes back to the TileStache project via a Github fork. However, it is debatable whether the TileStache project would want to merge these changes into the core, because they alter the URL pattern for WMSs. More details in the slides.</div><div>Re 3: I will publish the schema via OpenTiles. The principles are set but a few important changes need to be made before writing it up. It differs significantly from the mbtiles format (which I began with).</div><div><br></div><div>OpenTiles.org is therefore an "application" of open-source software. It's not clear there's much, other than items 2 and 3, that is releasable as "new" open source software. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your suggestion about the incubation process. I recognise that I need some mentoring but haven't really known how to go about it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><b>Matthew Shaw</b></div><div>OpenTiles.org</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 February 2017 at 16:09, Steven Feldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Mathew<div><br></div><div>I can’t tell from your web site whether the open tiles project is an open source project or not? If you are thinking of making your project open source you might want to consider either the OSGeo Community Project model or the Incubation stage, details of both can be found at <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects#Comparison_with_Incubation" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/<wbr>wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects#<wbr>Comparison_with_Incubation</a></div><div><br></div><div>I don't understand "<i>It does not aspire to replace open source software - but it does challenge the n-year-old tools that are out there now. The project will contribute improvements to O/S software where they are shown to deliver value</i>”, perhaps you could explain.</div><div><br></div><div>This mailing list is the best starting point for engaging with the OSGeo:UK community, tell us what help you are looking for and hopefully someone will chip in with an offer of help or advice.</div><div><br></div><div>You might want to consider submitting a talk to the European event in Paris in July, FOSS4G-EU at <a href="https://europe.foss4g.org/2017/" target="_blank">https://europe.foss4g.org/<wbr>2017/</a> which will be a large gathering of European Open Source Geo people</div><div><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-align:-webkit-auto">______</span><div><span class="gmail-m_8022185255122743220Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;line-height:normal">Steven<br><br></span>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 24 Feb 2017, at 19:24, Matthew Shaw <<a href="mailto:shawmat.sl6@gmail.com" target="_blank">shawmat.sl6@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_8022185255122743220Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi all<div><br></div><div>Of course I had an ulterior motive...and sorry in advance for hijacking the email for a polemic...</div><div><br></div><div>My pitch at Raster Revealed was for a tile-serving platform (<a href="http://opentiles.org/" target="_blank">opentiles.org</a>) that can deliver 1Tb of tiles for less than £70. And not be beholden to the near-standards landing from the open-source world.</div><div><br></div><div>Those working with rasters as professionals may not see "cost" as a constraint. Their institute pays. But cost-of-delivery is a key issue for maps. Particularly if you don't try to second-guess how people will use them. Maps create this problem because unstructured image data is inherently Big. With 2Tb of raw material in my collection, it's not clear how it could be published otherwise.</div><div><br></div><div>What I observe as a hobbyist is that great open-source work done 2006-2010 is now being progressively commerialised behind standards. People who were pioneers at that time now have to make a living, and we see this in so-called start-ups that can somehow manage to employ 60, 120 people setting the standards. For example, the ".mbtiles" database is touted as a standard for tiles serving - but has significant design flaws.</div><div><br></div><div>The next phase (IMHO) in open-source is this: Open "implementations" of open-source software. </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://OpenTiles.org" target="_blank">OpenTiles.org</a> is a maps project. It does not aspire to replace open source software - but it does challenge the n-year-old tools that are out there now. The project will contribute improvements to O/S software where they are shown to deliver value.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm a 58-year-old guy from the UK. I've had an interesting career in business and IT, and can bring something to the party. Some practical help would be welcome; more carto input; help with engaging with the community.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for reading</div><div><br></div><div><b>Matthew Shaw</b></div><div><a href="http://opentiles.org/" target="_blank">opentiles.org</a></div><div>@OpenTilesOrg</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 February 2017 at 17:26, Jo Cook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jocook@astuntechnology.com" target="_blank">jocook@astuntechnology.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi All,<br><br></div>It was a good suggestion from Matthew to wait until Rasters Revealed to see if there were any projects that could do with some funding, but I've not heard of anything. So this is the last call for funding ideas, otherwise we'll pursue the QGIS/Geoserver integration option.<br><br></div>All the best<br><br></div>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Matthew Shaw <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shawmat.sl6@gmail.com" target="_blank">shawmat.sl6@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Rather that closing the survey this week, we have Rasters Revealed coming up next Tuesday 21st. Would it make sense to see what's presented there first, in case there are some projects that need a bit of incubation?<span class="gmail-m_8022185255122743220m_626042968887466065m_-5136287271736570315HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="gmail-m_8022185255122743220m_626042968887466065m_-5136287271736570315HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Matthew Shaw</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail-m_8022185255122743220m_626042968887466065m_-5136287271736570315HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_8022185255122743220m_626042968887466065m_-5136287271736570315h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 February 2017 at 16:36, Jo Cook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jocook@astuntechnology.com" target="_blank">jocook@astuntechnology.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi All,<br><br></div>It looks as if, amongst those that have responded, we have a strong preference for the QGIS/Geoserver integration funding. If you have a strong opinion or preference for any of the other options then let us know before close of play on Friday. Our next step is to contact GeoSolutions to discuss where our donation could best be used, as they have split their funding request into several discrete packages of work.<br><br></div>Regards- and thanks to everyone who has replied!<br><br></div>Jo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Sam Franklin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mr.samfranklin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mr.samfranklin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1 for the <span style="font-size:12.8px">QGIS/Geoserver integration</span> funding. 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