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<p>Maria,</p>
<p>+0 from me to cover travel expenses, but not lost income. Like
Bruce, I'm concerned that we are setting a poor precedent if an
OSGeo non-for-profit representative is attending without expenses
paid. I think it is important to recognise that our time and
advice is valuable, that we have significantly less funding
sources than other agencies, and that we are not in a position to
sustainably keep paying to attend lots of events.</p>
<p>Having said that. I think that is likely pragmatic in this case
to get our message put forward. Could you please reply with a
"Return on Investment" statement. I suggest including:<br>
</p>
<p>An estimate of the costs.</p>
<p>Explain how far you are traveling. Explain that there is not a
local person suitably qualified or available who could attend in
your place (which could keep the cost down). <br>
</p>
<p>Explain what you what you intend to present (as you have done
already), but also what outcomes you hope to achieve. An desired
desired outcome might be to have the UN publicly commit to
prioritising Open Source and Open Data in policy documentation.</p>
<p>Maria, I trust your motivations. I think that following this
process of requesting for money will help with transparency and
help people following in your footsteps to be considered
trustworthy.</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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<div>Thanks, Bruce! Climate is a so important issue. If there are
some projects you want to share with this list, they are more
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Maria,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I’ve been involved in a number of Climate related
teams for the best part of a decade. This has been as either
team member, or as co-chair.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I have not been representing OSGeo in these
activities, but do discuss such issues when appropriate (and
declaring my interests in doing so).</div>
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<div dir="ltr">You obviously understand the realities in your
situation, so I won’t comment further on this.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Kind regards,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On 19 Nov 2018, at 09:28, Maria Antonia Brovelli
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">nobody invited
me. I'm part of the UN GIIM Academic Network and this is
the reason why I was asked if I wanted to present
something. And I decided to have a presentation where to
show also the activities of the UN Committee (and
GeoForAll), as we are doing a lot of work (under the
name of OSGeo). It is a way of showing what we are
doing. We are a partner of the UN Open GIS Initiative,
we are not paid for being a partner. In this specific
case, I'm paying from my pocket for showing what we are
doing as OSGeo. </p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Are you still
involved in some UN project? Which project? Can you
share your activities with the other people on the list?
It could be of interest of everybody to know which
activities are going on under the umbrella of OSGeo.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Many thanks!</p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Best</p>
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<b>Inviato:</b> lunedì 19 novembre 2018 00:47:13<br>
<b>A:</b> Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:un@lists.osgeo.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">un@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [UN] From Deqing (First UN World
Geospatial Information Congress)</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Maria,</div>
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<div dir="ltr">-1 from me.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">For this type of meeting where the UN would
like to take advantage of our/your expertise, I would
expect the UN to cover travel and per diem.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">This has been my experience with the UN
related expert teams and similar meetings that I have
been involved in.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I suggest that you ask the question of the
people who have invited you.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">They are probably waiting for a request for
assistance.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Kind regards,</div>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">The First
UN World Geospatial Information Congress will
start in a few hours. I was involved in the
Academic Track Session and, together with Ivana
Ivanova, we are presenting a contribution about
"Open Science and Education" where there is also
the description of our activities related to UN
Open GIS (training and UN Challenge). Moreover,
GeoForAll is also presented. Our presentation is
on Wednesday (Ivana will present) and we are
finishing it (we need to submit it by tomorrow).
We will share with you after the submission.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">I have a
question related to the budget. We are more or
less at the end of the year and there are no more
meetings of the UN Open GIS. This year I attended
the two that were organized (Uganda, US), using
support from OSGeo only for the former. I'm kindly
asking if there is somebody who is against the
fact that OSGeo supports my travel here at the UN
World Geospatial Information Congress (flight and
VISA, no accommodation and meal), provided that we
saved some money and this money is available in
the UN Committee budget of this year. </p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Please
reply if you have comments or doubts by the end of
this week. </p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Best,</p>
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