<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Maria,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I do appreciate your passion towards this initiative and the outreach work that you do. </div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, I am very uncomfortable with the approach outlined in the proposal below.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The UN should appreciate the value of open source spatial software by now and be willing to contribute back to the open source community.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Therefore, I believe that the activities suggested below should be funded by the UN and not OSGeo.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regarding the items in the proposal below:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Item 1) If this is for a UN Project and they value OSGeo representation, then that should be a UN Project cost and not an OSGeo cost.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Item 2) I’m not sure what this is, but I interpret it to be for the preparation of QGIS training material specific for UN staff. If so, then again this should be a UN funded activity. The UN may wish to view this as a voluntary contribution that they make to the QGIS Community in part recognition of the benefit that they are receiving from the use of the QGIS Open Source software. This is also an activity that could be undertaken by an commercial organisation that specialises in working with this type of open source software.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Item 3) I’m not sure what this is, but it also sounds like an activity that would be for UN benefit. If so, then again, they should be paying.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">IMO, we need to push back against the expectation that open source is free (as in free beer). There is always a cost to produce and maintain open source and I would like to see those who benefit from using the software to be encouraged to contribute back to the open source communities.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have been working actively for many years within one of the UN Agencies and am making some real headway towards this agency accepting the value of an open source approach to a specific problem that they have. I can’t discuss this publicly yet. I’m sure that you’ll appreciate that the wheels can move quite slowly at times as people become comfortable with what is in reality a new approach for them and they have internal processes that need to be followed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I have misunderstood the intent of the proposed items in your email, then I apologise in advance.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 16 Jan 2019, at 06:03, Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" class="">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Dear All</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">it is time to make the proposal to OSGeo Board for the activities of the UN Committee in 2019.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">We have the UN Open GIS Initiative entering in its third year of activities; many people of the UN staff have been trained in QGIS and PostGIS (more than 100) thanks to volunteers of GeoForAll. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Currently, there is the third edition of QGIS (Victoria Rautenbach chairing the initiative; Thomas Mueller and Cameron Green mentoring)and the second one of PostGIS (Ivana Ivanova chairing, Paolo Corti, Oliva Martin Sanchez, and Gregory Giuliani mentoring). </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">About UN Open GIS Initiative the request will be:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">1) support for attending a couple of project meeting and training - (one will be probably in South Sudan) 5000$</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">2) one UN OSGeo Challenge (similar to what we organized last year) to prepare a new training material course on PostGIS (the one we are using, which is a Boundless one, has to be updated and re-built considering the experience of the trainees and trainers). The budget for this initiative will be 3000 $, the same as the initiatives of last year. In case we got financed, Ivana Ivanova and I can be the mentor of the winner of the Challenge.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">3) Moreover, we can ask some budget for another training course about SDGs and open data/open software. Last year Codrina Maria Ilie was the winner and the training material is almost ready and will be released soon (it is about the computation of SDG indicator 9.1.1 using QGIS). The budget can be 3000 $, the same as last year and Serena Coetzee and I can be the mentor.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Obviously if you there is somebody who wants to offer her/himself as a mentor, they are more than welcome!</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Please let me know if you have comments. If none, I will proceed with the proposal.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Bets regards,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Maria</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="Signature" class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols;" class=""><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; 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