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<p>Dear Bruce, Serena and all,</p><p><br></p><p>I understood what Mr. Bruce would like to point it out. However <span style="font-size: 10pt;">I am sorry to say that I am standing for Serena's idea. </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">S</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">pecially, </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I agreed </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">on "</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">It is a way to support young OSGeo members" and</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> "</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">The mentors are working for OSGeo as volunteers, increasing the visibility of OSGeo within the UN and beyond". </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">As a non-profit organization for open source geospatial community, Maria's proposal will be a good opportunity for OSGeo to play as a catalyst as well as a facilitator, surely.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></p><p>Best regards,</p><p>HaeKyong</p><p>-----------</p>
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<b>보낸사람</b>: "Serena Coetzee" <serenacoetzee@gmail.com><br>
<b>받는사람</b>: "Bruce Bannerman" <bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com><br>
<b>참조</b>: "un@lists.osgeo.org" <un@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>날짜</b>: 2019-01-16 (수) 20:48:29<br>
<b>제목</b>: Re: [UN] Budget proposal 2019<br>
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<div>Dear Bruce, <br></div>
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<div>thanks for the constructive comments. <br></div>
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<div>OSGeo is a partner in the UN Open GIS initiative and, as
partner, OSGeo has to support the project. Participation in the
initiative is done by volunteers (from OSGeo) and we can't ask the
volunteers to pay with their money. This is the reason for the
first request. OSGeo partnering in the UN Open GIS initiative
should benefit you and all other OSGeo members. Let us know if
there anything that the person travelling to Sudan can do to also
improve your case.<br></div>
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<br> </div> <div>About the development of training material,
this raises awareness of open source software for geospatial
and contributes to capacity building in OSGeo. It is a way to
support young OSGeo members. Such challenges are common place in
industry. The mentors are working for OSGeo as volunteers,
increasing the visibility of OSGeo within the UN and beyond.
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Serena<br></div>
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<br>Serena Coetzee (GPr GISc 1245)<br>
<br>University of Pretoria<br>Director: Centre for
Geoinformation Science<br>Professor and Head of Department
Geography, Geoinformatics and Meteorology<br>Geography
Building 3-5, Hatfield Campus, Lynnwood Road, Hatfield, 0083,
South Africa<br>email: <a href="mailto:serena.coetzee@up.ac.za" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">serena.coetzee@up.ac.za</a> · Web: <a href="http://www.up.ac.za/ggm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">www.up.ac.za/ggm</a> · Mobile: +27 82 464 4294 ·
Tel: +27 12 420 3823<br></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:16 AM Bruce
Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div style="">Hello Maria,<div>
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<div>I do appreciate your passion towards this initiative and the
outreach work that you do. </div>
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<div>However, I am very uncomfortable with the approach outlined
in the proposal below.</div>
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<div>The UN should appreciate the value of open source spatial
software by now and be willing to contribute back to the open
source community.</div>
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<div>Therefore, I believe that the activities suggested below
should be funded by the UN and not OSGeo.</div>
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<div>Regarding the items in the proposal below:</div>
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<div>Item 1) If this is for a UN Project and they value OSGeo
representation, then that should be a UN Project cost and not
an OSGeo cost.</div>
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<div>Item 2) I’m not sure what this is, but I interpret it to
be for the preparation of QGIS training material specific for
UN staff. If so, then again this should be a UN funded
activity. The UN may wish to view this as a voluntary
contribution that they make to the QGIS Community in part
recognition of the benefit that they are receiving from the
use of the QGIS Open Source software. This is also an activity
that could be undertaken by an commercial organisation that
specialises in working with this type of open source software.</div>
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<div>Item 3) I’m not sure what this is, but it also sounds like
an activity that would be for UN benefit. If so, then again,
they should be paying.</div>
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<div>IMO, we need to push back against the expectation that open
source is free (as in free beer). There is always a cost to
produce and maintain open source and I would like to see those
who benefit from using the software to be encouraged to
contribute back to the open source communities.</div>
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<div>I have been working actively for many years within one of
the UN Agencies and am making some real headway towards this
agency accepting the value of an open source approach to a
specific problem that they have. I can’t discuss this
publicly yet. I’m sure that you’ll appreciate that the wheels
can move quite slowly at times as people become comfortable
with what is in reality a new approach for them and they have
internal processes that need to be followed.</div>
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<div>If I have misunderstood the intent of the proposed items in
your email, then I apologise in advance.</div>
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<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>
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<div>Bruce</div>
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<div>On 16 Jan 2019, at 06:03, Maria Antonia Brovelli
<<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">Dear All</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">it
is time to make the proposal to OSGeo Board for the
activities of the UN Committee in 2019.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">We
have the UN Open GIS Initiative entering in its
third year of activities; many people of the UN
staff have been trained in QGIS and PostGIS (more
than 100) thanks to volunteers of GeoForAll. </div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">Currently,
there is the third edition of QGIS (Victoria
Rautenbach chairing the initiative; Thomas Mueller
and Cameron Green mentoring)and the second one of
PostGIS (Ivana Ivanova chairing, Paolo Corti, Oliva
Martin Sanchez, and Gregory Giuliani mentoring). </div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">About
UN Open GIS Initiative the request will be:</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">1)
support for attending a couple of project meeting
and training - (one will be probably in South Sudan) 5000$</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">2)
one UN OSGeo Challenge (similar to what we
organized last year) to prepare a new training
material course on PostGIS (the one we are using,
which is a Boundless one, has to be updated and
re-built considering the experience of the trainees
and trainers). The budget for this initiative will
be 3000 $, the same as the initiatives of last year.
In case we got financed, Ivana Ivanova and I can be
the mentor of the winner of the Challenge.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">3)
Moreover, we can ask some budget for another
training course about SDGs and open data/open
software. Last year Codrina Maria Ilie was the
winner and the training material is almost ready and
will be released soon (it is about the computation
of SDG indicator 9.1.1 using QGIS). The budget can
be 3000 $, the same as last year and Serena Coetzee
and I can be the mentor.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">Obviously
if you there is somebody who wants to offer
her/himself as a mentor, they are more than welcome!</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">Please
let me know if you have comments. If none, I will
proceed with the proposal.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">Bets regards,</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0.0px;margin-bottom: 0.0px;">Maria</div>
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