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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 20 gennaio 2019 08:32:26<br>
<b>A:</b> Maria Antonia Brovelli<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nils Hempelmann; Cameron Shorter; Hae-Kyong Kang; serena.coetzee@up.ac.za; un@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [UN] Budget proposal 2019</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Proposal 1 is at 1am my time. I won’t be able to make it.</div>
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On 20 Jan 2019, at 06:58, Maria Antonia Brovelli <<a href="mailto:maria.brovelli@polimi.it">maria.brovelli@polimi.it</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">thank you a lot for your great comments and suggestions. </p>
<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">I suggest doing in this way. As OSGeo is a partner of the UN Open GIS Initiative, given the fact that the Challenges of last year have given OSGeo good visibility - and many people have contributed to this success,
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Hae-Kyong, you proposed a new challenge based on Spiral 3. In order to submit the proposal to OSGeo, I need to provide a description of the challenge. Can you send me it by Monday my morning? I want to submit the proposal
of the budget on Monday at my lunchtime and therefore I need you to send the proposal before. I give for granted that you want to volunteer as the mentor of the challenge (as you did in 2018), do you?</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Moreover, Nils, Bruce, Cameron, and everybody who is now interested in contributing to the activities of the UN Committee with new projects: I propose to have a meeting for discussing the initiatives that you want to
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">With Serena, we defined two possible time slots. Please find details on the wiki page of the OSGeo UN Committee under <span style="color:rgb(37,37,37); font-family:sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-weight:700">Meeting
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<p style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0">Thanks to everybody. I'm looking forward to meeting you at the end of January.</p>
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<b>Inviato:</b> giovedì 17 gennaio 2019 21:33:51<br>
<b>A:</b> Nils Hempelmann<br>
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<div>Its nice to read this discussion. Would it make sence and be possible to have a video/telefon converence for a profund exchange? </div>
<div>Dealing with very big organisations like UN needs multiple strategies. Its good that we are coming up with concrete proposals and alternative ideas. </div>
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<p>Hi Serena, which I acknowledge the value of your points, I'm inclined to agree with Bruce's points that the OSGeo volunteer organisation shouldn't be subsidising a funded organisations such as the UN (who I've heard are able to find money to purchase ESRI
licenses).</p>
<p>It is hard to teach an organisation like the UN that they should pay to gain the value of Open Source if we keep diverting our budget toward giving them a free ride.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">There is a principle here, that as a volunteer organisation OSGeo can’t afford to be subsidising other organisations’ use of open source. These organisations need to b<span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">e encouraged to contribute
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<div>OSGeo is a partner in the UN Open GIS initiative and, as partner, OSGeo has to support the project. Participation in the initiative is done by volunteers (from OSGeo) and we can't ask the volunteers to pay with their money. This is the reason for the first
request. OSGeo partnering in the UN Open GIS initiative should benefit you and all other OSGeo members. Let us know if there anything that the person travelling to Sudan can do to also improve your case.<br>
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<div>About the development of training material, this raises awareness of open source software for geospatial and contributes to capacity building in OSGeo. It is a way to support young OSGeo members. Such challenges are common place in industry. The mentors
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<div>Therefore, I believe that the activities suggested below should be funded by the UN and not OSGeo.</div>
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<div>Item 1) If this is for a UN Project and they value OSGeo representation, then that should be a UN Project cost and not an OSGeo cost.</div>
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<div>Item 2) I’m not sure what this is, but I interpret it to be for the preparation of QGIS training material specific for UN staff. If so, then again this should be a UN funded activity. The UN may wish to view this as a voluntary contribution that they
make to the QGIS Community in part recognition of the benefit that they are receiving from the use of the QGIS Open Source software. This is also an activity that could be undertaken by an commercial organisation that specialises in working with this type
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<div>Item 3) I’m not sure what this is, but it also sounds like an activity that would be for UN benefit. If so, then again, they should be paying.</div>
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<div>IMO, we need to push back against the expectation that open source is free (as in free beer). There is always a cost to produce and maintain open source and I would like to see those who benefit from using the software to be encouraged to contribute back
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<div>I have been working actively for many years within one of the UN Agencies and am making some real headway towards this agency accepting the value of an open source approach to a specific problem that they have. I can’t discuss this publicly yet. I’m sure
that you’ll appreciate that the wheels can move quite slowly at times as people become comfortable with what is in reality a new approach for them and they have internal processes that need to be followed.</div>
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<div>If I have misunderstood the intent of the proposed items in your email, then I apologise in advance.</div>
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<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">it is time to make the proposal to OSGeo Board for the activities of the UN Committee in 2019.</div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">We have the UN Open GIS Initiative entering in its third year of activities; many people of the UN staff have been trained in QGIS and PostGIS (more than 100) thanks to volunteers of GeoForAll. </div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Currently, there is the third edition of QGIS (Victoria Rautenbach chairing the initiative; Thomas Mueller and Cameron Green mentoring)and the second one of PostGIS (Ivana Ivanova chairing, Paolo Corti, Oliva Martin
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<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">About UN Open GIS Initiative the request will be:</div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">1) support for attending a couple of project meeting and training - (one will be probably in South Sudan) 5000$</div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">2) one UN OSGeo Challenge (similar to what we organized last year) to prepare a new training material course on PostGIS (the one we are using, which is a Boundless one, has to be updated and re-built considering
the experience of the trainees and trainers). The budget for this initiative will be 3000 $, the same as the initiatives of last year. In case we got financed, Ivana Ivanova and I can be the mentor of the winner of the Challenge.</div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">3) Moreover, we can ask some budget for another training course about SDGs and open data/open software. Last year Codrina Maria Ilie was the winner and the training material is almost ready and will be released
soon (it is about the computation of SDG indicator 9.1.1 using QGIS). The budget can be 3000 $, the same as last year and Serena Coetzee and I can be the mentor.</div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Obviously if you there is somebody who wants to offer her/himself as a mentor, they are more than welcome!</div>
<div style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Please let me know if you have comments. If none, I will proceed with the proposal.</div>
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