<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Jody,<div>I think the meeting sounds really interesting and I thank you Edzer for sharing this information with us.</div><div><br></div><div>Jody, maybe we can use the osgeo wiki for sharing our ideas, describe tests which can be run, urls to use to run tests, results of the tests and stuff like that ?</div><div><br></div><div>IMHO it is a good option.</div><div><br></div><div>We can also use the WIki setup by OGC but I'm unable to access it today.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope to hear from you,</div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>Le 31 janv. 2011 à 02:33, Jody Garnett a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Not quite sure what is being suggested; the workshop sounds positive and all - but we are children of the internet age; and if we are going to collaborate across projects we will do better to set up on the internet and gather interested parties.<br><br>Meeting in a single location; especially one on the other side of the world; put me out of the picture for example.<br><br>Jody<br><br>On 31/01/2011, at 8:26 AM, Edzer Pebesma wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear all, the workshop below might be relevant in this respect.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*Workshop on Testbed Research: Testing Geospatial Web Services /<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Persistent Testbed (PTB) at AGILE 2011*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Call for Presentations (Deadline 1st March 2011)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The workshop is held to improve interoperability of open-source and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">proprietary Geo Web Service software components. Therefore it is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">important to outline the present state of the art of technical and to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">identify scientific issues related to the field of Geo Web Services.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Further goals are the development of testing strategies/procedures and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the support of geospatial research in major EU programs and education.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The full day workshop will be held in context of the 14th AGILE<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">International Conference on Geographic Information Science in Utrecht,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The Netherlands, on 18th April 2011. As the AGILE/EuroSDR/OGC Persistent<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">SDI Testbed for Research and Teaching in Europe (PTB,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://sdi-testbed.eu">http://sdi-testbed.eu</a>) is co-organizing the workshop, it will be shown<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">how different Testbed Collaboration could mutually benefit, how to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">develop synergies and how to improve the sustainability of running<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">demonstrators for further work or research. Future strategies for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">testing Geo Web Services will also be developed and discussed.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*Workshop topics:*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Scientific questions in the field of Geo Web Services<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Geo Web Service Software tests<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Different testing methods and testing strategies with a special focus<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on interoperability, compliance and performance<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Different testbeds and testing activities (including PTB)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Former activities and demonstrators (including reports from current<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Phase 2 of the PTB) as well as testbeds related to INSPIRE, GMES etc.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Concerning technologies for developing testing facilities<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The workshop consists of invited talks and presentations selected from<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this call as well as of panel discussions about future testing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">strategies and testbed development (including discussions about<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">strategies and testbed advances of the PTB). Please submit a short<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">abstract of your presentation (max 300 words) before 1st March. Based on<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this abstracts the presentations will be selected through the organizing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">committee. Presentations will be between 20 and 30 minutes (including<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">discussions). The deadline for the notification of acceptance is the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">15th March 2011.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">All presentations and abstracts will be published on the PTB website<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(<a href="http://sdi-testbed.eu">http://sdi-testbed.eu</a>).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The Call can also be downloaded at:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://sdi-testbed.eu/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=10&Itemid=8">http://sdi-testbed.eu/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=10&Itemid=8</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">More information about the AGILE annual conference can be found at:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.uu.nl/geo/agile2011">http://www.uu.nl/geo/agile2011</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Please send the abstract of the presentation to <a href="mailto:stephan.schmid@unibw.de">stephan.schmid@unibw.de</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">before *1st March 2011*.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We are looking forward to hear from you.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Stephan Schmid (AGIS Research Group Geoinformatics, University of the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bundeswehr, Munich, Germany. Email: <a href="mailto:stephan.schmid@unibw.de">stephan.schmid@unibw.de</a>)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Johannes Brauner (PTB) (Geoinformation Systems, Technische Universität<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Dresden, Germany. Email: <a href="mailto:johannes.brauner@tu-dresden.de">johannes.brauner@tu-dresden.de</a>)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bastian Schäffer (52°North Initiative for Geospatial Open Source<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Software GmbH, Münster, Germany. Email: <a href="mailto:b.schaeffer@52north.org">b.schaeffer@52north.org</a>)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The workshop is further supported by the three organizations represented<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">in the PTB: AGILE (Lars Bernard), EuroSDR (Mike Jackson) and the OGC<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(Chris Higgins).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-- Bastian Schäffer Institute for Geoinformatics (IfGI), University of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Muenster, Germany Weseler Str. 253, 48151 Muenster Fon: +49 (0)251 -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">83-30046 Fax: +49 (0)251 - 83-39763 email: <a href="mailto:schaeffer@uni-muenster.de">schaeffer@uni-muenster.de</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">IfGI-site: <a href="http://ifgi.uni-muenster.de">http://ifgi.uni-muenster.de</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________ Ifgi-ifgi mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Ifgi-ifgi@listserv.uni-muenster.de">Ifgi-ifgi@listserv.uni-muenster.de</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://listserv.uni-muenster.de/mailman/listinfo/ifgi-ifgi">http://listserv.uni-muenster.de/mailman/listinfo/ifgi-ifgi</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 01/30/2011 02:18 PM, Gérald Fenoy wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Jody,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">in ZOO-Project we see services (which are using various OSGeo libraries) as animals. Animals are fed by ZOO-Kernel and all their output (dirty :] ) are then managed back :)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think it is a really good idea to get the WPS-Backoff done this year. Indeed, I'm pretty sure it will imply better WPS solutions if the effort is well managed. I mean if each projects are well informed that this will occurs and are asked to contribute back to the effort. I also think this can a great help for each WPS projects that can get benefit if feedbacks are well returned back to each projects individually. Maybe some bugs can be found this way.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Indeed, I think that a good thing which can be made to make the effort efficient can be to ask for team in each WPS Server development team to provide URLs of usable WPS Server for testing. <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Another point I thought about is the WPS-GRASS-Bridge which is supported by both 52°North, PyWPS and ZOO-Project. Unfortunately I'm unsure of the status for deegree and GeoServer WPS implementations as I didn't see mention of them in the WPS-GRASS-Bridge [1] made by Soeren Gebbert (in fact, strangely checking twice when writting this email I noticed that 52°n disappear, maybe the code moved somewhere else). Maybe it can really useful in the effort of comparing solutions as those three are providing same services based on the same libraries back-end.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Some troubles can occurs to compare the supported languages, indeed AFAIK PyWPS is supporting only Python and 52°n is supporting Java and Python (as GeoServer implementation). So how to compare supported languages ? Honestly I don't get any answer.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think also that it can be a good point to get some comparison on how to develop and then deploy services. I think it is a key point, indeed I think it is great to compare existing services and how they work / run but I think it can be also great to compare time required to develop and deploy new services. This can be a hard and long task to organize such a comparison. Indeed I think that somebody out of the ZOO-Project community should be involved to provide information on how to develop and deploy new services to get "real" feedbacks.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I also think that comparison between project should also imply full testing of WPS capabilities. I mean, does each projects support WSDL/SOAP or not (I know that ZOO-Project is not supporting yet but will really soon ! :D ), can we well use both GET and POST request from XML request sent to the server (using Header and Body or BodyReference if my memory is correct). Maybe some XML validation can be done also about the answer returned back to the client.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I am volonteer for participating in this effort and help as much as I can to make this happening.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Here was my the first ideas I got in mind,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To be continued,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Best<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">[1] <a href="http://code.google.com/p/wps-grass-bridge">http://code.google.com/p/wps-grass-bridge</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Le 30 janv. 2011 à 13:39, Jody Garnett a écrit :<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Evening zoo - or is that evening animals? or zoo keepers ... so hard to choose. Perhaps the developers are the keepers and the user community is the animals?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">With respect to the message title; the idea of a wps-bakeoff" would be similar in spirit to the wms shoot out; but I would be content if a wps service just turns over at all. Collecting performance numbers would be a bonus.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The idea was ventured at last years foss4g; and nothing much has come of it. I figured I would approach the email list here to see if it was a good idea; and if I should bother to pursue it.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Jody<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Zoo-discuss mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Zoo-discuss@gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp">Zoo-discuss@gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/mailman/listinfo/zoo-discuss">http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/mailman/listinfo/zoo-discuss</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Gérald Fenoy<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr">gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">GEOLABS<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Siège social :<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Futur Building I<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">1280, avenue des Platanes<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">34970 Lattes<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Tél. fixe : +33 (0) 4 67 43 09 95<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Tél. portable : +33 (0) 6 70 08 25 39<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Zoo-discuss mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Zoo-discuss@gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp">Zoo-discuss@gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/mailman/listinfo/zoo-discuss">http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/mailman/listinfo/zoo-discuss</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-- <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Edzer Pebesma<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Institute for Geoinformatics (ifgi), University of Münster<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Weseler Straße 253, 48151 Münster, Germany. 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