The entire FNB home loans branch is using PostgreSQL database (OSS), this is a banking institute, how do you say riskier?<br><br>Infact FNB is using Linux on their INTRANET system. Linux is probably the safest environment you can develop in today internet society and that includes the servers (redhat, ubuntu).<br>
<br>Oracle has embraced redhat and mysql which actually is owned by oracle. <a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/index.html">http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/index.html</a><br><br>OSS is not just GIS software.<br>
<br>My point is, don't loose faith the community is huge and their is no security issues.<br><br>Instead of paying R5000 for a course, get online and teach your self, do more reading.<br><br clear="all">Sarel Coetzer <br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Thulani Dhlamini <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thulani.dhlamini@mtpa.co.za">thulani.dhlamini@mtpa.co.za</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The OSS vs. proprietary software is getting too far now.
Honestly , government is supporting OSS on paper but not by actions. The reason
is clear , its more riskier to use OSS than proprietary software. Other than the
popular argument that proprietary software makes you dependent on consultants ,
I find it the other way around. With OSS , if someone leading the project
leaves the organization , the whole thing might come down crashing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This debate has been there in IT circles for years and I don’t
think it will end now. Even IT training companies that were found on OSS values
are slowly closing down because for now , close source rules in South Africa.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Calle Hedberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 March 2012 06:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Africa local chapter discussions'</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [OSGeo Africa] Junior GIS Developer needed<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA">“OSS software is leading the proprietary pack” – well, that’s
debatable, isn’t it? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA">I work for a global network (HISP) which has been developing
FOSS software in the health sector for 14 years, and the user base has expanded
from three health districts around Cape Town to now cover countries with around
1.8 bill people. But as to finding a reliable, reasonably powerful, and
easy-to-use desktop FOSS GIS for “normal” users – well, let’s say it’s been a
challenge. Web-based FOSS GIS is better, but still clearly limited in terms of
functionality (we’ve ended up doing a lot of development ourselves to get
something suitable).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA">MapWindow, QGIS, etc – we’ve been using/testing them extensively
over many years, and they are still driving us up the wall with their OS
incompatibilities, incomprehensible crashes, and poor documentation. So we are
still using ArcView / ArcGIS for most of our own fundamental GIS work
(map/shapefile production), even if we are limited by the number of donated
licenses we have. ArcGIS don’t let you down when you are working through the
night to prepare a series of maps for presentation to the minister in the
morning, if you get my drift….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA">Calle Hedberg<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-ZA"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>S Coetzer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 February 2012 04:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gavinjfleming@gmail.com" target="_blank">gavinjfleming@gmail.com</a>; Africa local chapter discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Junior GIS Developer needed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-ZA">Thanks Gavin<br>
<br>
I remember those old docs (2007 - 2008). It will be nice to get current
feedback of OSGEO mail "members" to see if they have promoted FOSS
and to see what the current status in government is at the moment.<br>
<br>
There has been a trend and shift in the GIS applications of late. Open source
products are bringing out great functionality and has caused propitiatory
software to release some functionality for free or lose clientele.<br>
<br>
SQL server now has spatial extension (only couple years late)<br>
ArcGIS 10 now has free analysis tools where you had to pay in the past (thanks
to QGIS/Grass which had it for past 5 years)<br>
<br>
It seems that OSS software is leading the propitiatory pack but yet
organizations wants to pay license fees.<br>
<br>
Just sharing my thoughts<br>
<br>
Regards<br clear="all">
Sarel Coetzer <br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA">On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Gavin <<a href="mailto:gavinjfleming@gmail.com" target="_blank">gavinjfleming@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA">I'm also interested in Modiba's take, and
of other SITA employees on this list.<br>
<br>
Here are some background docs to FOSS and interoperability policy in SA:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.sita.co.za/FOSS/FOSS1.html" target="_blank">http://www.sita.co.za/FOSS/FOSS1.html</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://gissa.org.za/special-interest-groups/open-source/foss-documents" target="_blank">http://gissa.org.za/special-interest-groups/open-source/foss-documents</a><br>
<br>
I know from the SITA COO that she was hoping to have a FOSS GIS transition /
rollout plan ready by the end of this financial year but that all the
requirements were unlikely to be in place by then. So we should look forward to
lots of SITA activity in this space in the coming year. <br>
<br>
Gavin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<br>
On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 13:36 +0200, S Coetzer wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-ZA">Hi Modiba<br>
<br>
Please provide us (OSGEO List users) with Sita's policy with regards to using
FOSS products. Very curious on your take on this.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sarel Coetzer <br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA">On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Modiba
Ramohlale <<a href="mailto:modiba.ramohlale@sita.co.za" target="_blank">modiba.ramohlale@sita.co.za</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA">I will have to agree with Greg. I
have guided two 'good' programmers<br>
who initially had no knowledge of GIS. It took them less than 3 months<br>
to understand how ArcIMS was constructed as well as AXL et al.<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
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On Behalf Of Gregory Setei<br>
Sent: 29 February 2012 12:03 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jeffy_ditsela@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jeffy_ditsela@yahoo.com</a>;
Africa local chapterdiscussions;<br>
<a href="mailto:tsakane.baloyi@dpw.gov.za" target="_blank">tsakane.baloyi@dpw.gov.za</a><br>
Subject: RE: [OSGeo Africa] Junior GIS Developer needed<br>
<br>
Dear Jeffy,<br>
<br>
I do have someone who is a Developer/ programmer, what he has no GIS<br>
background at this stage but he is willing to learn. His credentials<br>
include -Javascript<br>
-C#.<br>
.Net<br>
-SQL Server.<br>
<br>
If you can provide training on the ArcGIS programme, he will not<br>
disappoint you. His contact are <a href="tel:0739854916" target="_blank">0739854916</a>.
His name is Grant Mandla<br>
Setei.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Greg S<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
<a href="mailto:jeffy_ditsela@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jeffy_ditsela@yahoo.com</a><br>
Sent: 28 February 2012 03:51 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">africa@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:tsakane.baloyi@dpw.gov.za" target="_blank">tsakane.baloyi@dpw.gov.za</a><br>
Subject: [OSGeo Africa] Junior GIS Developer needed<br>
<br>
Hi All,<br>
<br>
I need a GIS Developer a.s.a.p to be based in Pretoria Head Office of<br>
Department of Public Works.<br>
-Knowleage of ESRI ArcGIS Suite 9.3.1 or above -ASP.net -Javascript<br>
-C#.Net -SQL Server or Oracle DB -Proficient in OOP, Design patterns,<br>
best practices and be experience of SDLC.<br>
<br>
Willing to learn new technologies, team player and innovative.<br>
<br>
I am will to teach the potential candidate if she/he shortfall of the<br>
above requirements.<br>
<br>
Preferable be South African with a valid ID and just graduated from a<br>
reputable University but if Foreign Nationals,be ready with proper work<br>
documentation.<br>
<br>
Thanks and regards,<br>
<br>
Jeofrey Ditsela (<a href="http://www.tipp.co.za" target="_blank">www.tipp.co.za</a>)<br>
<br>
Contact me @ <a href="mailto:jeffy_ditsela@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jeffy_ditsela@yahoo.com</a>
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