<div dir="ltr">There is quite a nice collection here:<div><a href="https://matadornetwork.com/goods/the-worlds-oldest-maps/">https://matadornetwork.com/goods/the-worlds-oldest-maps/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm with Eratosthenes of Cyrene (Libyans are Africans too) who was the first cartographer to use grids.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 July 2017 at 14:58, Gavin Fleming <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gavinjfleming@gmail.com" target="_blank">gavinjfleming@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">The HartRAO educational centre shows indigenous constellations (if that’s what you mean by space maps)<div><div class="h5"><div> </div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 04 Jul 2017, at 14:36, Douglas Anderson <<a href="mailto:djandersonza@gmail.com" target="_blank">djandersonza@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-4018156591819727117Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif">Aaah, hmm, the problem there is that prior to colonialism indigenous people were illiterate. Apart from rock paintings and engravings I know of no attempt at drawing maps. Maybe some-one at the Iziko Museum or UCT archaeological department may assist you? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-4018156591819727117gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><br><br>Yours Sincerely</div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 July 2017 at 13:31, Aslam Parker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za" target="_blank">Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">There is this map showing the distribution of the Khoi and San peoples in the Cape during the early stages of colonization and exploration<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">A very interesting 'What if' map can be found here<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><a>http://bigthink.com/strange-ma<wbr>ps/africa-uncolonized</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Showing what Africa may've looked like had colonization by European countries not occurred, but it is speculative as Islamic colonization and indigenous colonization would alter this map quite considerably.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 4 July 2017 at 10:34, Chris Berens <<a>chris@mapland.co.za</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Aslam, the closest I have come to an indigenous map is a verbal route map or song-line that I heard in 2009 which described a route taken by herders from Pella in the northern Cape as they went from waterhole to waterhole. I was able
to follow the route during the recitation using your 1:250,000 map which had enough named points in common. Unfortunately we did not have a chance to record the audio/video. The herding route (described/sung by Oom Paul Waterboer in Pella) predated the shift
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 4 July 2017 at 08:07, Aslam Parker <<a>Aslam.Parker@drdlr.gov.za</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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African indigenous communities, specifically in Southern Africa.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks
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