<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Perhaps land surveyors should implement their royalties rights on diagrams and general plans and make municipalities pay for such ( along with addresses and other resulting products) and then provide it free to everybody else by license agreements. - COJ then might change their current tune to avoid such.<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Feb 14, 2018, at 5:19 PM, Sindile Bidla <<a href="mailto:sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za">sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"><div>Hi,<br></div><div><br></div><div>I have had an issue with COJ wanting to charge me for their data, I did the following:<br></div><div><br></div><div>1. I pointed out the relevant sections in the Base Data Set Custodianship Policy and Pricing Of Spatial Information Products and Services.<br></div><div><br></div><div>2. I wrote to Ms Marcel Hatting raising my concerns in this regard.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ms Marcel Hatting was able to intervene and I did not pay for the data.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn"><div><span class="m_33394833697435551HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)">Sindile XJ Bidla</span></span><br></div><span class="m_33394833697435551HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:none;border-width:0px;border:0px;margin:0;padding:0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="color:#333333;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div><br></div><div><b><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">Geoilocate</span></b><br></div></td></tr><tr><td width="20" valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;width:20px;color:#1da1db;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">p:<br></td><td valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;color:#333333;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">087 373 0982 <span class="colour" style="color:rgb(29, 161, 219)">m: </span>082
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Very dodgy ….<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tim<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div><div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Grant<br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Africa mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Africa@lists.osgeo.org">Africa@lists.osgeo.org</a><br></div><div>You can UNSUBSCRIBE at <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/africa</a><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; line-height: normal; text-align: center"><span>—</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; 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