<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'><div>Dear List,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you for all the suggestions and inputs.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My take on the issue is as follows:<br></div><div><br></div><div>1. There is general agreement on the need for government spatial data to be openly available with no restrictions<br></div><div>2. Engage other parties who can assist in this process - GISSA, Code4SA, media<br></div><div>3. Gather information to build a case<br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/value-of-spatial-data/">http://geospatial.blogs.com/geospatial/value-of-spatial-data</a>/<br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://opendatahandbook.org/">http://opendatahandbook.org/</a><br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/Open-Data-for-Economic-Growth.pdf">http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/Open-Data-for-Economic-Growth.pdf</a><br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tgis.12283/full">http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tgis.12283/full</a><br></div><div>4. Petition platform - Avaaz.org</div><div><br></div><div>Taking into account the various inputs, as a way forward I would like to propose the following:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Have a small team (5 individuals? - I volunteer myself) to kick start the process:<br></div><div>1. Write a business case (there should be material that we can reuse with attribution)to support our petition - to be shared with the list for input<br></div><div>2. Create the petition on an appropriate platform<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn"><div><span class="m_33394833697435551HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)">Sindile XJ Bidla</span></span><br></div><span class="m_33394833697435551HOEnZb"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background:none;border-width:0px;border:0px;margin:0;padding:0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="color:#333333;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><div><br></div><div><b><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">Geoilocate</span></b><br></div></td></tr><tr><td width="20" valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;width:20px;color:#1da1db;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">p:<br></td><td valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;color:#333333;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">087 373 0982 <span class="colour" style="color:rgb(29, 161, 219)">m: </span>082
340 8538<br></td></tr><tr><td width="20" valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;width:20px;color:#1da1db;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">a:<br></td><td valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;color:#333333;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Block B3, Science
& Technology Park, East
London IDZ<br></td></tr><tr><td width="20" valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;width:20px;color:#1da1db;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> <br></td><td valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;color:#333333;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Lower Chester Rd,
Sunnyridge, East London<br></td></tr><tr><td width="20" valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;width:20px;color:#1da1db;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">w:<br></td><td valign="top" style="vertical-align:top;color:#333333;font-size:14px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.bizwebhost.co.za" style="color:#1da1db;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal;font-size:14px">www.geoilocate.co.za</a><br></td></tr></tbody></table></span></span><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="zmail_extra"><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1"><div><br></div><div>---- On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:54:55 +0200 <b>Peter Newmarch <newmarch@land-surveyors.com></b> wrote ----<br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 6px; margin:0 0 0 5px"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Gavin,<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">If there is royalty on the data, the institution is obligated to pass such on and recover – even if public data. Similarly with any copyright restriction under which the data was obtained.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Exceptions to the user pay is of course the deeds office – where the legislation specifically says the user must pay (policies etc… cannot override an act of parliament).<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Its certainly worthy having a wide discussion on this.<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Peter<br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><div style="border: none; border-top: solid rgb(225, 225, 225) 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><div><b>From:</b> Africa [mailto:<a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gavin Fleming<br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:36 PM<br></div><div><b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <<a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org">africa@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Ideas on writing a petition to access municipal spatial data<br></div></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi all<br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">'user pays' and 'cost recovery' are by law not applicable to public data in SA. Custodians of public data are allowed to charge a minimal fee for making the data available (such as writing a DVD) but not for the data. An example of a policy in this respect is <a href="https://www.westerncape.gov.za/text/2013/September/draft-pricing-of-spatial-info-policy.pdf">https://www.westerncape.gov.za/text/2013/September/draft-pricing-of-spatial-info-policy.pdf</a>.<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">And the economic benefits to the country of making the data free to the public without restrictions on use far outweigh the cost of capture and maintaining the data. <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">And it’s one thing to make the data free, another to make it accessible. <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Some local efforts to make data accessible:<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://data.gov.za/">http://data.gov.za/</a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://southafrica.opendataforafrica.org/">http://southafrica.opendataforafrica.org/</a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://opendata.capetown.gov.za/">http://opendata.capetown.gov.za/</a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wazimap.co.za/">https://wazimap.co.za/</a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">A group to collaborate with (were Code4SA): <a href="https://openup.org.za/">https://openup.org.za/</a> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Gavin<br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><div><br></div></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 15 Feb 2018, at 09:20, Sindile Bidla <<a href="mailto:sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za">sindile.bidla@geoilocate.co.za</a>> wrote:<br></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Dear List,</span></span><br></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Most municipalities in the country are making it difficult to access spatial data that has been paid for through our taxes:</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">1. selling of spatial data</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">2. signing data agreements that prevent reuse</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">3. providing access to spatial data only if conducting a municipal project</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">I am proposing that we start a petition in this regard, because government policy is quite clear with regard to access to spatial data.</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">What I would like ideas on is:</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">1. is there appetite from the community in this regard?</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">2. should we have a single petition which will be sent to individual municipalities and key government department?</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">3. is there an online platform that we could use?</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">4. any other idea.</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Thank you.</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> </span></span><br></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(136, 136, 136)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Sindile XJ Bidla</span></span></span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"></span></span><br></p></div><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 0in 0in 0in 0in" colspan="2"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Geoilocate</span></span></span></b></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"></span></span></span><br></p></div></td></tr><tr><td style="width: 15pt; 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