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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree with you that the situation is not clear or simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">User Pay is a sound economic principle. Free items are generally abused items.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If my rates are high to cover municipal costs I would like those who intend to benefit economically in a project or business that has no direct benefit for the municipality or me, to
help lower these rates by paying a “tax” for what they use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Appropriate payments that are not abusive or prohibitive probably need to be examined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As Peter mentioned a lower rate coupled with declaration of intended use and restrictions on reuse and distribution to prevent circumvention of payment by third tier users is an obvious
mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Lance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Africa [mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Newmarch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 2018/02/15 09:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Africa local chapter discussions' <africa@lists.osgeo.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo Africa] Ideas on writing a petition to access municipal spatial data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sindile,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Its not as easy as this. I am aware of certain datasets having copyright restrictions despite the Government procuring such. Tenderers could for example offer a lower price with a restriction that it only be used by the
municipality, the base custodianship policy makes provision for such copyrights and royalties (if need be) – despite the government being the “custodian”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Custodian does not mean owner. For example, the SG is the custodian of Cadastral data, but holds no copyright to that data – the land surveyors do. Even the GIS data they derive is not the copyright of the department.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I support a discussion on this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Peter</span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Africa [</span><a href="mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><span lang="EN-US">mailto:africa-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sindile Bidla<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Africa local chapter discussions <</span><a href="mailto:africa@lists.osgeo.org"><span lang="EN-US">africa@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OSGeo Africa] Ideas on writing a petition to access municipal spatial data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Most municipalities in the country are making it difficult to access spatial data that has been paid for through our taxes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">1. selling of spatial data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">2. signing data agreements that prevent reuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">3. providing access to spatial data only if conducting a municipal project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am proposing that we start a petition in this regard, because government policy is quite clear with regard to access to spatial data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What I would like ideas on is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">1. is there appetite from the community in this regard?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">2. should we have a single petition which will be sent to individual municipalities and key government department?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">3. is there an online platform that we could use?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">4. any other idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888">Sindile XJ Bidla</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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