[Belgium] procedure for official creation of asbl/vzw: proposed bylaws
Marc Ducobu
marc.ducobu at champs-libres.coop
Thu Jul 9 10:04:52 PDT 2015
Thanks Maëlle for the report :)
On 08/07/15 09:29, Maelle Vercauteren wrote:
> Marc asked to Osgeo-fr about the « why they only accept individuals »
> I would like to convey the answer because Marc is in full translation
> sprint this week and may not have much time left.
>
> The idea is to be able to keep a certain neutrality with respect to
> companies and individuals involved. Of course this does not prevent an
> individual from a company X to participate in OSGeo - fr and not being
> neutral. But it helps...They want at that time strongly keep a balance
> between the different "groups" (user, researcher and trading company ),
> each having their own interest but also a common interest in life and
> dynamics of the open source geomatics community.
>
> Kinds Regards,
> Maë//e
>
> N.B: For your information, below the complete answer in French.
> /"bonjour,
>
> L'idée de départ était de pouvoir garder une certaine neutralité vis à
> vis des
> sociétés et d'impliquer les personnes physiques.
>
> Bien sur cela n'empêche pas une personne physique d'une société X de
> participer à l'OSGeo-fr et de ne pas être neutre. Mais cela permet
> d'avoir un
> certain garde fou.
>
> Avec le recul on voit que ce sont les sociétés commerciales qui ont le plus
> d'intérêt et de volonté de s'impliquer dans ce genre de communauté. Peut
> être
> car elles sont plus d'expériences en la matière du fait de leur implication
> dans des projets open source.
>
> Nous souhaitions à l'époque vivement garder un équilibre entre les
> différents
> "groupes" (utilisateur, recherche et société commerciale), chacun ayant leur
> intérêt propre mais également un intérêt commun dans la vie et la dynamique
> d'une communauté open source en géomatique.
>
> Aucune solution ne sera convenable et sera dans tous les cas un subtils
> mélanges du contexte, du risque de déséquilibre réel ou ressenti.
>
> Dans tous les cas, il faut une certaine neutralité et des forces vives
> dynamiques :)
>
> Yves Jacolin"/
>
> 2015-07-07 19:49 GMT+02:00 Johan Van de Wauw <johan.vandewauw at gmail.com
> <mailto:johan.vandewauw at gmail.com>>:
>
> Some comments on the proposal:
>
> This are our statutes, which are hard to change. You mostly need them
> when things go bad, so when reading them this is what you should keep
> in mind.
>
> Note that I found it difficult reading this in French, so I may miss
> some things.
> I would make it easier for the board to remove "adherent members",
> especially since it is very easy to become one. I'd suggest that the
> board can reject or remove them, and that once rejected/removed they
> can be only be added by a general assembly if proposed by one of the
> effective members and after a vote.
>
> Eg spam registrations, errors, ... can be handled this way. I don't
> think the board will go light on removing a member if there is a good
> reason.
>
> But perhaps it is even better to leave all of this for the " règlement
> d'ordre intérieur , since adherent members don't have any official
> rights.
>
> Thinking about whether companies can be members: I think we should
> rather think about having a sponsored membership for these members.
> But again, I'm not sure we should do this in the statutes - those are
> hard to change.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Johan
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Dirk Frigne
> <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>> wrote:
> > Moritz,
> >
> >> - Where should we localize the association ?
> > If you live in Brussels, then your home address is a good option.
> > I still wait for an alternative, as I asked Gael offline if there is a
> > possibility we use the address of IBGE as the main seat.
> >
> > I suggest to also accept moral persons. At the Flemish association for
> > GIS (Flagis)[1] where I am the secratary, we have sponsor members,
> > 'moral persons' members and physical person members. 3 different
> member
> > fees: 750/Year, 250/Year, 20 /Year).
> >
> > For OSGeo, I am still in favor to provide *free* membership, as
> there is
> > a discussion on the [discuss] mailing list [2]. They even pointed
> to our
> > initiative for the problem of membership fees:
> >
> > "
> > Regarding changing from an open OSGeo membership (nothing at the
> > moment), to charging a membership fee, I am in fact for continuing
> as an
> > open/free organization. I do however see some issues with our old
> > bylaws, and Arnulf mentioned our USA-based status, and there has been
> > recent talk again of a registered satellite organization such as
> through
> > an OSGeo Europe. (this will likely be discussed more in Como)
> > "
> >
> > So I agree to mimic the rules that apply for OSGeo.
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.linkedin.com/pub/flagis-vzw/85/517/32b
> > [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-July/014419.html
> >
> >
> > On 02-07-15 13:35, Moritz Lennert wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Here is a revised version of the "statuts", allowing for two types of
> >> members and integrating some of the other comments.
> >>
> >> To be discussed (cf comments in the text):
> >>
> >> - Who wants to be founding member ?
> >> - Who wants to be part of the board ?
> >> - Where should we localize the association ? I offer my home
> address if
> >> there is no other solution.
> >>
> >> - Should "effective" (i.e. charter) members have to pay an annual
> >> contribution ?
> >> - Should members be physical persons or can moral persons
> (associations,
> >> companies, etc) be members ?
> >> - How should non charer members (i.e. "members adérents") become
> >> members: I propose to mimick OSGeo central and allow registration via
> >> the web site.
> >>
> >> Moritz
> >>
> >> On 22/06/15 12:07, Tommy Oozeer wrote:
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I have also added my comments in the doc.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>>
> >>> Tommy
> >>>
> >>> -----Message d'origine-----
> >>> De : belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
> >>> [mailto:belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] De la part de Dirk Frigne
> >>> Envoyé : lundi 22 juin 2015 09:53
> >>> À : belgium at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:belgium at lists.osgeo.org>
> >>> Cc : managementsupport at geosparc.com
> <mailto:managementsupport at geosparc.com>
> >>> Objet : Re: [Belgium] procedure for official creation of asbl/vzw:
> >>> proposed bylaws
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> My2c comments in the document.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dirk
> >>>
> >>> On 21-06-15 18:30, Moritz Lennert wrote:
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Please find attached a first draft of the bylaws of the
> asbl/vzw. I've
> >>>> used a model from [1] to draft this. They are in French as this was
> >>>> easier for me than in Dutch. I don't think we could elaborate
> them in
> >>>> English.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please read through them. I've highlighted several parts and
> included
> >>>> some questions. Please react.
> >>>>
> >>>> In order to officially constitute the organisation, we have to
> >>>>
> >>>> - file these bylaws and the register of members at the "greffe du
> >>>> tribunal de commerce"
> >>>> - publish the bylaws and the list of board members in the
> "Moniteur"
> >>>>
> >>>> The costs for this procedure are 181,50€.
> >>>>
> >>>> We should probably have a legal expert read the bylaws before
> we file
> >>>> them, just to make sure we respect all aspects of the law and won't
> >>>> have to modify them soon (which would mean additional costs). I can
> >>>> see if I can convince some of my contacts to do this, but if
> you have
> >>>> competent people around you, please tell me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another good source of information on asbl (in French) is [2].
> >>>>
> >>>> Moritz
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] http://www.laboiteasbl.be/
> >>>> [2] http://www.assoc.be/
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Yours sincerely,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ir. Dirk Frigne
> >>> CEO
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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> >
> > --
> > Yours sincerely,
> >
> >
> > ir. Dirk Frigne
> > CEO
> >
> > Geosparc n.v.
> > Brugsesteenweg 587
> > B-9030 Ghent
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> >
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