[Belgium] procedure for official creation of asbl/vzw: proposed bylaws

Marc Ducobu marc.ducobu at champs-libres.coop
Thu Jul 9 10:04:52 PDT 2015


Thanks Maëlle for the report :)

On 08/07/15 09:29, Maelle Vercauteren wrote:
> Marc asked to Osgeo-fr about the « why they only accept individuals »
> I would like to convey the answer because Marc is in full translation
> sprint this week and may not have much time left.
> 
> The idea is to be able to keep a certain neutrality with respect to
> companies and individuals involved. Of course this does not prevent an
> individual from a company X to participate in OSGeo - fr and not being
> neutral. But it helps...They want at that time strongly keep a balance
> between the different "groups" (user, researcher and trading company ),
> each having their own interest but also a common interest in life and
> dynamics of the open source geomatics community.
> 
> Kinds Regards,
> Maë//e
> 
> N.B: For your information, below the complete answer in French.
> /"bonjour,
> 
> L'idée de départ était de pouvoir garder une certaine neutralité vis à
> vis des
> sociétés et d'impliquer les personnes physiques.
> 
> Bien sur cela n'empêche pas une personne physique d'une société X de
> participer à l'OSGeo-fr et de ne pas être neutre. Mais cela permet
> d'avoir un
> certain garde fou.
> 
> Avec le recul on voit que ce sont les sociétés commerciales qui ont le plus
> d'intérêt et de volonté de s'impliquer dans ce genre de communauté. Peut
> être
> car elles sont plus d'expériences en la matière du fait de leur implication
> dans des projets open source.
> 
> Nous souhaitions à l'époque vivement garder un équilibre entre les
> différents
> "groupes" (utilisateur, recherche et société commerciale), chacun ayant leur
> intérêt propre mais également un intérêt commun dans la vie et la dynamique
> d'une communauté open source en géomatique.
> 
> Aucune solution ne sera convenable et sera dans tous les cas un subtils
> mélanges du contexte, du risque de déséquilibre réel ou ressenti.
> 
> Dans tous les cas, il faut une certaine neutralité et des forces vives
> dynamiques :)
> 
> Yves Jacolin"/
> 
> 2015-07-07 19:49 GMT+02:00 Johan Van de Wauw <johan.vandewauw at gmail.com
> <mailto:johan.vandewauw at gmail.com>>:
> 
>     Some comments on the proposal:
> 
>     This are our statutes, which are hard to change. You mostly need them
>     when things go bad, so when reading them this is what you should keep
>     in mind.
> 
>     Note that I found it difficult reading this in French, so I may miss
>     some things.
>     I would make it easier for the board to remove "adherent members",
>     especially since it is very easy to become one. I'd suggest that the
>     board can reject or remove them, and that once rejected/removed they
>     can be only be added by a general assembly if proposed by one of the
>     effective members and after a vote.
> 
>     Eg spam registrations, errors, ... can be handled this way. I don't
>     think the board will go light on removing a member if there is a good
>     reason.
> 
>     But perhaps it is even better to leave all of this for the " règlement
>     d'ordre intérieur , since adherent members don't have any official
>     rights.
> 
>     Thinking about whether companies can be members: I think we should
>     rather think about having a sponsored membership for these members.
>     But again, I'm not sure we should do this in the statutes - those are
>     hard to change.
> 
>     Kind Regards,
>     Johan
> 
>     On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Dirk Frigne
>     <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>> wrote:
>     > Moritz,
>     >
>     >> - Where should we localize the association ?
>     > If you live in Brussels, then your home address is a good option.
>     > I still wait for an alternative, as I asked Gael offline if there is a
>     > possibility we use the address of IBGE as the main seat.
>     >
>     > I suggest to also accept moral persons. At the Flemish association for
>     > GIS (Flagis)[1] where I am the secratary, we have sponsor members,
>     > 'moral persons' members and physical person members. 3 different
>     member
>     > fees: 750/Year, 250/Year, 20 /Year).
>     >
>     > For OSGeo, I am still in favor to provide *free* membership, as
>     there is
>     > a discussion on the [discuss] mailing list [2]. They even pointed
>     to our
>     > initiative for the problem of membership fees:
>     >
>     > "
>     > Regarding changing from an open OSGeo membership (nothing at the
>     > moment), to charging a membership fee, I am in fact for continuing
>     as an
>     > open/free organization.  I do however see some issues with our old
>     > bylaws, and Arnulf mentioned our USA-based status, and there has been
>     > recent talk again of a registered satellite organization such as
>     through
>     > an OSGeo Europe.  (this will likely be discussed more in Como)
>     > "
>     >
>     > So I agree to mimic the rules that apply for OSGeo.
>     >
>     > Dirk
>     >
>     >
>     > [1] https://www.linkedin.com/pub/flagis-vzw/85/517/32b
>     > [2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-July/014419.html
>     >
>     >
>     > On 02-07-15 13:35, Moritz Lennert wrote:
>     >> Dear all,
>     >>
>     >> Here is a revised version of the "statuts", allowing for two types of
>     >> members and integrating some of the other comments.
>     >>
>     >> To be discussed (cf comments in the text):
>     >>
>     >> - Who wants to be founding member ?
>     >> - Who wants to be part of the board ?
>     >> - Where should we localize the association ? I offer my home
>     address if
>     >> there is no other solution.
>     >>
>     >> - Should "effective" (i.e. charter) members have to pay an annual
>     >> contribution ?
>     >> - Should members be physical persons or can moral persons
>     (associations,
>     >> companies, etc) be members ?
>     >> - How should non charer members (i.e. "members adérents") become
>     >> members: I propose to mimick OSGeo central and allow registration via
>     >> the web site.
>     >>
>     >> Moritz
>     >>
>     >> On 22/06/15 12:07, Tommy Oozeer wrote:
>     >>> Hello everyone,
>     >>>
>     >>> I have also added my comments in the doc.
>     >>>
>     >>> Regards.
>     >>>
>     >>> Tommy
>     >>>
>     >>> -----Message d'origine-----
>     >>> De : belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>     >>> [mailto:belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:belgium-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] De la part de Dirk Frigne
>     >>> Envoyé : lundi 22 juin 2015 09:53
>     >>> À : belgium at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:belgium at lists.osgeo.org>
>     >>> Cc : managementsupport at geosparc.com
>     <mailto:managementsupport at geosparc.com>
>     >>> Objet : Re: [Belgium] procedure for official creation of asbl/vzw:
>     >>> proposed bylaws
>     >>>
>     >>> Hi all,
>     >>>
>     >>> My2c comments in the document.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Dirk
>     >>>
>     >>> On 21-06-15 18:30, Moritz Lennert wrote:
>     >>>> Hi all,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Please find attached a first draft of the bylaws of the
>     asbl/vzw. I've
>     >>>> used a model from [1] to draft this. They are in French as this was
>     >>>> easier for me than in Dutch. I don't think we could elaborate
>     them in
>     >>>> English.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Please read through them. I've highlighted several parts and
>     included
>     >>>> some questions. Please react.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> In order to officially constitute the organisation, we have to
>     >>>>
>     >>>> - file these bylaws and the register of members at the "greffe du
>     >>>> tribunal de commerce"
>     >>>> - publish the bylaws and the list of board members in the
>     "Moniteur"
>     >>>>
>     >>>> The costs for this procedure are 181,50€.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> We should probably have a legal expert read the bylaws before
>     we file
>     >>>> them, just to make sure we respect all aspects of the law and won't
>     >>>> have to modify them soon (which would mean additional costs). I can
>     >>>> see if I can convince some of my contacts to do this, but if
>     you have
>     >>>> competent people around you, please tell me.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Another good source of information on asbl (in French) is [2].
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Moritz
>     >>>>
>     >>>> [1] http://www.laboiteasbl.be/
>     >>>> [2] http://www.assoc.be/
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
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>     >>>
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>     >>>
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>     >
>     >
>     > ir. Dirk Frigne
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