Enc: Fwd: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation

Sat Aug 22 17:04:16 EDT 2009

Either we run ESRI on RedHat, or we don't run it at all.   I'd just assume
see them all run on the same exact OS configured the same way.  Otherwise
what is the point of this benchmarking exercise?  Disputed results will only
mar the effort people are putting into this.

ESRI won't certify on CentOS; so if it is slower, that leaves the test open
to questioning.  If it is on an ESRI certified platform, then there is no
question to the benchmarks.

I've successfully installed ESRI on other distros than RedHant (and SUSE),
but configuration is a PITA.

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On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Cameron Shorter
<cameron.shorter at gmail.com>wrote:

> A comment from the sidelines ...
>
> <snip> wrote:
>
>> Cameron,
>>
>> I don't want to enter on one more discussion, but please tell Paul that it
>> is obvious that what you have to do is benchmarking over Virtual Machines.
>> Let ESRI build their VM with whatever SO they wish. If they like Windows
>> better, let them be it (they will lose...)
>>
>> But please don't let ESRI defined the playground you are competing!!!!
>> Why should the other players be forced to run on ESRI choice of OS?
>> Don't let them make the rules! (I know them well ...)
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>> ----- Mensagem encaminhada ----
>> De: Paul Ramsey <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>
>> Para: benchmarking at lists.osgeo.org
>> Cc: ichivite at esri.com; ebader at esri.com; ssankaran at esri.com
>> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 21 de Agosto de 2009 22:50:16
>> Assunto: Fwd: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation
>>
>> Benchmarkers,
>>
>> Since GeoWeb, I have been talking with ESRI about joining the
>> benchmarking round this year, but we are having some issue wrt
>> platform, which are detailed below. Open question is basically, "can
>> we change OS at this point" from a convenience PoV. We need a decision
>> from our group on that ASAP to help ESRI get to their own decision
>> about participation.
>>
>> Can someone volunteer to be the main point-of-contact with ESRI for
>> the next two weeks? I am going to the beach on Sunday and will be out
>> of contact until Labour Day.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ismael Chivite <ichivite at esri.com>
>> Date: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:47 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation
>> To: "pramsey at cleverelephant.ca" <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>, Satish
>> Sankaran <ssankaran at esri.com>
>> Cc: Eric Bader <ebader at esri.com>
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>  My name is Ismael Chivite, I work with Satish in the ArcGIS Server
>> Product Management team. I just wanted to share some thoughts
>> regarding ESRI's participation in the map service benchmark report for
>> the upcoming FOSS4G conference.
>>
>>  We are certainly very interested in participating in this exercise.
>> It is a good opportunity to see where these technologies stand from a
>> performance point of view, which ultimately is going to help all of us
>> improve our products to serve our users better.
>>
>>  Satish facilitated to me a description of the tests that have been
>> proposed and the 'rules of engagement'. One of the topics that may put
>> us out of the game is the fact that you want to use a particular
>> version of Linux which we do not support.  While I agree that CentOS
>> is virtually no different than RHL, the fact is that we (ESRI) do not
>> certify ArcGIS Server on CentOS. My concern running on CentOS is not
>> coming from the technical side, but from the support side. I
>> understand that people (users) are going to look at the results of
>> this benchmark. I do not want to send a message out there in which we
>> promote the use of an operating system that we do not certify. I
>> assure you that if we do that we will get right away tech support
>> calls from users, which is the last thing I want as an outcome of our
>> participation in this exercise.
>>
>>  So in essence, and as much as we want to participate on this, we
>> (ESRI) will need to step aside unless we run on RHL or other
>> environment that we currently support. Since technically the operating
>> systems (RHL and CentOS) are almost identical, I wonder if you would
>> be willing to either run all tests on this OS, or at least allow ESRI
>> to run on it.  I believe that the second scenario could be perfectly
>> valid as long as people are made aware of the differences between
>> CentOS and RHL. I would like to ask you to consider these options.
>>
>>  Finally, I also wanted you to know that I would be more than happy to
>> provide the hardware environment for this benchmark as well. We do
>> have some 8 core Dell 1950s available that we could use for this
>> purpose.  If we need to, we could allow the different participants to
>> log into our servers and own them for the duration of the benchmark.
>>
>>  Thanks for your time,
>>
>>
>> Ismael Chivite
>> ArcGIS Server Product Manager
>> ESRI
>> http://www.esri.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pramsey at cleverelephant.ca]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:57 AM
>> To: Satish Sankaran
>> Subject: Re: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation
>>
>> Actually, getting a little pushback now (since doing RHEL means
>> starting all the other prep work again from scratch). Your folks are
>> certain Centos5 is not possible? (I mean, it's not like we are going
>> to be putting in support calls over this, there's "unsupported" and
>> then there's "doesn't work".)
>>
>> P.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Satish Sankaran<ssankaran at esri.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>      Bear with me as I try to work this one internally here. Here's a
>>> reply
>>> from our linux guy on what we (ArcGIS Server) would need. Will you guys
>>> be
>>> OK with this?
>>>
>>> Red Hat 5 updates are supported.  ArcGIS Server can be installed on the
>>> latest update (5.3).
>>>
>>> The System Requirements page
>>> (
>>> http://wikis.esri.com/wiki/display/ag93bsr/ArcGIS+Server+Operating+System+Requirements+and+Limitations#ArcGISServerOperatingSystemRequirementsandLimitations-Linux
>>>
>>> ) also lists out specific (32-bit) packages that need to be installed on
>>> the
>>> RHEL 5 machine prior to installing ArcGIS Server
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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