[OSGeo-Board] Re: Visibilitiy Committee

[Chris Holmes]

Arnulf Christl wrote:
> Tyler Mitchell wrote:
> 
>> On Tuesday 28 February 2006 01:44, Arnulf Christl wrote:
>>
>>> Tyler, Markus,
>>> both of you were proposed as potential members of this project, and I
>>> already put you on the list without even having asked you. Please give a
>>> thumbs up that you are willing to put in some effort.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Arnulf,
>> I am willing to put in some effort - you can sign me up, but I still 
>> have to check to see exactly what is being proposed.  I am also 
>> against a closed list, especially as/when we want to engage the larger 
>> community - if the list is closed then they we will always have to 
>> make that extra step of announcing our ideas on another list.  What 
>> reasons do you have in mind for closing it.  I think we want others to 
>> watch and be involved with ideas, etc.
>>
>> Tyler
> 
> 
> Hi,
> with closing this one I had in mind that we are operating near the 
> publicity-, marketing- and product managing people from various 
> companies, especially Autodesk. When we do that we have to be careful to 
> not step on their feet doing things all too openly.
> 
> It is just a suggestion and maybe worth discussing a minute. The thing 
> is that I want to avoid that we start to email offlist to a bunch of 
> people who should know something that the rest - lurking malevolent 
> elements - shouldn't. We would need to consent on an official policy of 
> *why* we are not making this one open. Then it will be transparent and 
> accepted. Possibly only the dev-list is closed/moderated. This is the 
> place to work, set date lines, imagine booths, flyers, activities, etc. 
> We can be creative without looking stupid when we do *not* manage to get 
> something done that has been discussed awhile. Once we do approve of 
> some agenda it should be put on the announce, issues and users lists, 
> and those will need to be open anyway. Daniel, is it technically 
> possible to have different permissions/visibility for each list?
> 
> (((I can't believe that its me all the time trying to protect, close and 
> remove. :-) )))
> 
> Just to explain some more: I had so many fights with my partnering 
> businesses here in the past years because I wanted to do something 
> publicly, that I am now very, very careful with proposing something that 
> could have the faintest inkling of losing control. For my part 
> personally we could open up anything, it wouldn't hurt for sure. Its 
> just that I imagine some Autodesk guys sitting in their think tank and 
> scribbling important strategies regarding the next exhibition, press 
> release, wehatever on a whitboard - only to find out that the jerks from 
> the OSGeo have messed it up by discussing it in a public mailing list. 
> This explains my motivation a bit better?
This does make a lot of sense.  One thought is to have a 
discuss at visibility.osgeo.org list, where most of the general ideas take 
place, and where anyone can contribute to how to promote osgeo.  The dev 
list can be where specifics on setting up exhibitions, the type of 
details that not everyone really wants to see.  That could be a private 
list, where private strategy can also be discussed.  Another option 
could be to have a PSC private list, where big players can discuss their 
strategy with those who are in charge of the committee.  I think the 
best approach for all of this is tiers, where as much as possible takes 
place in the open, but has the option for privacy when those who need it 
desire it.

best regards,

Chris

> 
> Maybe we should clear this point before moving discussion to 
> dev at visibilitycommittee.osgeo.org and then start off open?

> 
> +1 from Arnulf for an open list, but I would understand if somebody has 
> a problem with this.
> 
> Best regards,
> Arnulf.
> 
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Chris Holmes
The Open Planning Project
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