[Board] Fwd: FOSS4G Proceedings Problem

[Peter Batty]

I asked Tyler for an estimate and he said around 2-3 weeks work, he would be
open to doing it for around $2500-3000.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Michael P. Gerlek <mpg at flaxen.com> wrote:

> What work is involved in this?  Any idea of what the labor cost might be?*
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> *From:* board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mailto:
> board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter Batty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:05 AM
> *To:* board at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* [Board] Fwd: FOSS4G Proceedings Problem****
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> Hi all,****
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> I'm not sure whether to send this to the board or the conference committee,
> but since it involves Tyler's role I thought I'd start here. It was quite a
> big deal for the academic community that we committed to publishing papers
> from the academic track at FOSS4G this year. In previous years we received
> some criticism that this didn't happen, as it's important for academics to
> get work formally published. One element of this was publishing papers in
> the OSGeo Journal.****
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> You can see more detail in the discussion below from Rafael (who ran the
> academic track) and Tyler. The bottom line is that Tyler was going to
> organize this but won't have time before he leaves. He is reluctant to ask
> for money from OSGeo to do this, but I would hate to see us back down on the
> commitment we made to publish these papers, and don't see it happening
> unless we engage Tyler to do this (if anyone has any other ideas please let
> me know). I am sure I can arrange something with Tyler with minimal impact
> on the overall FOSS4G proceeds (not sure the board needs to be involved in
> the details, but happy for them to be if they would like to).****
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> I thought I'd ask if anyone has any comments, in favor of or against
> engaging Tyler to do this, or alternative ideas, then I'll make a motion (if
> I need to).****
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> Cheers,****
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>     Peter.****
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Moreno, Rafael* <Rafael.Moreno at ucdenver.edu>
> Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:50 PM
> Subject: RE: FOSS4G Proceedings Problem
> To: "Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo)" <tmitchell at osgeo.org>, Peter Batty <
> peter at ebatty.com>
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> Tyler, Peter,
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> As I told Tyler, I don't understand the foundation's decision to disappear
> Tyler's position and hence the OSGeo Journal. In my opinion this will set
> back the progress of FOSS in gaining respect in the IT world (not only in
> academia).
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> I have not been able to find a professor or student willing to take some
> part of the work of editing the journal.
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> Could we argue with the foundation that there was a previous commitment to
> publish the selected papers and hence Tyler needs to be retained until this
> commitment is fulfilled?
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> I have asked Tyler for whom to contact to send a communication expressing
> our disagreement and concern about the move they just took.
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> John Wilson from Transactions in GIS has mentioned that if more than 11
> papers are considered outstanding we could see if the journal can fit them
> in the future. No promises.
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> Rafael
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) [mailto:tmitchell at osgeo.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:54 PM
> To: Peter Batty
> Cc: Moreno, Rafael
> Subject: FOSS4G Proceedings Problem
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> Hi Peter,
> I've been back and forth a bit with Rafael on this topic and thought I'd
> pull
> you in before I make my final recommendation.
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> As you know, the OSGeo Journal team, and myself in particular, committed to
> publishing a bunch of papers in a special FOSS4G 2011 edition of the
> Journal.
> I was going to play a big part in pulling all that together and am not sure
> the rest of the volunteer team will really be able to do it due to their
> own
> personal time constraints.  I certainly can't guarantee how the process
> would
> run without me involved - others may rise to the occassion but I haven't
> seen
> any sign of that yet.
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> Rafael needs to know what to do and I put out a few ideas, but basically we
> need to decide whether to cancel this effort and have Rafael try to find
> another
> place to publish them.  Perhaps a follow up edition of Transactions in GIS
> would be possible?
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> Or you might want to try to still get them out through the Journal somehow.
> You could hire someone to help go through the process, but not sure if
> there
> is value in that.  I know some contractors that are available and pretty
> good.
> Likewise, I might also be available for hire to usher it through - but I
> hesitate to suggest anything that requests OSGeo money for my work now, so
> am
> not 100% sure I'd even take the offer if it was made.
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> Or a bit of a wilder idea, not sure I have stamina for this or not, but at
> this point the Journal hasn't tried to raise any funding.  Perhaps we could
> approach FOSS4G sponsors to advertise in this Journal edition and that
> funding
> could be used in whatever way you wish to get it done.  Seems like a lot of
> work with no guarantee though.
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> While the Journal has been one of my biggest personal projects, it was made
> clear to me over the past couple years that it should not be a priority.
>  This
> is disappointing because outreach to academia was at the very top of my
> list
> of strategic target areas for 2011/2012.  That's to say, I will lament its
> demise but if there is still need/value I will resurrect it somehow
> (probably
> privately) once the dust settles at my end.  It's becoming clear to me that
> I
> cannot afford the time on it during these final few weeks on the payroll.
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> Hope that makes sense, would love your thoughts.
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> Tyler****
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