[Board] Board Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24

[Eli Adam]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl> wrote:
> I think what we have now is fine, which is:
>
> 1) board members are chosen for 2 years, also the president
> 2) if the president wants to stand again for election as a member of the
> board, this is allowed
> 3) if the president wants to be re-elected by the board for his second term,
> then this is his decision (and the board’s final call)

I agree that the existing situation is fine and does not prevent a
President from serving 4 years.  Considering setting a term limit of 4
consecutive years might be worth considering.  A president could seve
for a shorter duration or may not be reelected to the Board or
selected as President.  An individual could serve more than 4 years
but not consecutively.

...

> On 17 Jul 2014, at 16:15, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> wrote:

...
>
> The role of president and that of the other board members could be made
> easier if we were able to support a permanent executive staff member who
> could carry some of the load.

You're hitting on what seems to be the unaddressed contradiction here.
It appears doing the President's role well could cost between
$50-100K.  The OSGeo Board in recent history determined that OSGeo can
not afford to spend very much money and set out some principles which,
like a broken record, Cameron continually links to and I do again,
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2013-02-26#Board_Priorities

What we expect the President to do and at what expense and the Board
priorities must be reconciled.

The lists have been very active with these and various related ideas
(membership continuations, etc).  A BOF at FOSS4G might be a good
place to discuss some of these issues.

I do think that it is inappropriate for the President to substantially
contribute to the expense the President's duties.

Best regards, Eli

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>   1. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Jeff McKenna)
>   2. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Suchith Anand)
>   3. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Bart van den Eijnden)
>   4. Meeting Reminder (today) (Jeff McKenna)
>   5. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
>      Portland) (Ravi Kumar)
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> From: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 09:59:55 BST
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
>
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:17:16 BST
> To: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>, "board at lists.osgeo.org"
> <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This
> is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and
> grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us
> globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at
> FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider
> min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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> From: Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:35:38 BST
> To: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> Cc: "board at lists.osgeo.org" <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> I agree. I’d say 4 years is good for both min and max (so nothing less than
> 4, but also nothing more than 4 ideally).
>
> First step is for the (Charter Member) community to re-elect Jeff in the
> upcoming board elections. Then the board can vote him into presidency again.
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
> On 17 Jul 2014, at 11:17, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This
> is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and
> grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us
> globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at
> FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider
> min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>
> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> Not good.
>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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> From: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Subject: [Board] Meeting Reminder (today)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:47:13 BST
> To: osgeo-board List <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> A reminder for today's Board meeting
> (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-07-17).  It will be a
> mixture of face-to-face and IRC.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ravi Kumar <ravivundavalli48 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:52:15 BST
> To: "board at lists.osgeo.org" <board at lists.osgeo.org>
> Reply-To: Ravi Kumar <ravivundavalli48 at yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi Board,
> I also feel that a -4- year term is good for the OSGeo President
> to contribute substantially.
> OSGeo President, hardly stands a chance for a proverbial 'Burn Out',
>
> +1 for a Four year term for the OSGeo President.
> Cheers
> Ravi Kumar
>
>
> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Suchith Anand
> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This
> is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and
> grow into the role.  Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us
> globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at
> FOSS4G-E  , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider
> min. 4 year term.  I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>> Not good.
>>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position.  I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term.  And yes I fully agree.  It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community.  I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president.  Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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