[Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

Sun Mar 1 08:23:31 PST 2015

All -

The OGC is not currently involved in activities related to defining or 
maintaining LIDAR specific modeling and related encoding standards. Any work 
the OGC has been doing WRT LIDAR is within the context of processing, 
visualization, and analytics. Obviously, existing OGC standards such as WCS 
and GMLJP2 can be used to encode and share small, processed LIDAR data sets. 
Feel free to check OGC email archives, project pages, and so forth for 
documentation on any ongoing discussions in the OGC related to LIDAR.

http://www.opengeospatial.org/pub/www/ows9/innovations.html : The thread 
participants looked at NITF, LIDAR, and DAP/OPeNDAP, and investigated their 
re-implementation in an OWS environment with a focus on the Web.

or

http://koenigstuhl.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/publications/bonn/conference/LanigGeoinformatik09.pdf

for examples.

Hope this clarifies the current OGC position.

Regards

Carl

-----Original Message----- 
From: Suchith Anand
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 4:20 AM
To: Cameron Shorter ; P Kishor ; Suchith Anand
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Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the 
ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

Hi Cameron,

Thank you for this excellent suggestion. I remember this previous 
Geoservices REST API issues and discussions.

Patrick - Could you please start a wiki page and input as much information 
as you know on this (ideally in the same structure as the Geoservices REST 
API wiki ). Once it is ready, please email the community and OSGeo Board and 
we all can look into this.

Anyone from OGC willing to help with this?

I think this should be open letter from the OSGeo Board to the whole Geo 
community. I really hope this proprietary vendor (ESRI) will be decent 
enough to not keep repeating these inappropriate actions in the future.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:47 AM
To: P Kishor; Suchith Anand
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ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and 
the “LAZ clone” by ESRI

Patrick, others,
OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in 
stopping ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here: 
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API

I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a vendor 
lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should consider developing 
a similar wiki page for the LAS format debate.

0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?)
1. Describe the issue. (Is there someone who knows the issues well enough to 
describe them?)
2. Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the other, 
on both a technical and commercial point of view.
3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard?
4. If needed, collect signatures.
5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter

On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote:
Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for 
scrutiny by the entire community and we should all weigh in.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand 
<Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> 
wrote:
Hi Patrick,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board need to 
look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from the community 
as this has wider implications. This also need to be discussed with like 
minded organisations. We all can provide the needed support for this.

Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board meeting's 
agenda items. Thanks.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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+1

Lene Fischer
Associate Professor

Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management
University of Copenhagen

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Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by 
ESRI

Dear OSGEO,
For what our good name is worth. . .
Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open standard for a 
data format?
Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and collective 
response encouraged.

Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values? I.e., “We 
hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data] are created equal, 
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that 
among these [is Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Openness].”

The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clone/

[First paragraph]
We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another proprietary 
format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails, retold conversations, 
and personal experiences suggest that sneaky 
tactics<http://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/> are being 
used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we have enjoyed for 
many years.
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Thanks much,
-Patrick

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