[Board] [Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
Scott Simmons
ssimmons at opengeospatial.org
Thu Mar 5 16:43:38 PST 2015
Hi Suchith,
I would love to have some participation from your members for this session - you are way ahead of OGC in these matters!!!!!
Scott
> On Mar 5, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thank you for OGC's openness to discuss ideas for reviewing standardisation of LiDAR and other point cloud data. I have informed our LiDAR colleagues to be in contact with you directly to discuss ideas further . It is also good to know that there will be Standards Openness ad hoc session at the upcoming TC meeting in Barcelona on Monday (0900 - 0955) which might be of interest to some of our members who are planning to attend the TC meetings.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> ________________________________________
> From: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> [ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of Scott Simmons [ssimmons at opengeospatial.org <mailto:ssimmons at opengeospatial.org>]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:15 PM
> To: Stefan Keller
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions; Even Rouault; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>; board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
>
> (note: resend to make sure this gets on the lists)
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> I will make a few comments!
>
> GeoPackage: the OGC Compliance Program develops conformance test suites for OGC Standards after the Standards have been officially adopted. This process takes time and requires thorough testing itself. A GeoPackage test suite has not yet been completed, but you can see a list of tests and roadmap for test development here:
>
> http://cite.opengeospatial.org/roadmap
>
> The most complete listing of implementations for GeoPackage is here:
>
> http://www.geopackage.org/#implementations
>
> With another registry here:
>
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/byspec
>
> Yes, I know that the two registries have some differences - something we are working on in OGC to synchronize!
>
> With respect to support of an OGC Standard by any organization, the OGC membership provides the Standards as free and open and thus, they can be implemented by anyone; we don’t rate nor comment on the degree to which an organization implements the Standard unless the implementation is submitted for formal Certification by OGC.
>
> LiDAR: the OGC is certainly open to reviewing standardization of LiDAR and other point cloud data. This thread has expressed interest for further discussion and I have been approached my other OGC members on the topic. For anyone attending the upcoming OGC TC meeting in Barcelona - find me and we can talk LiDAR. I will be happy to organize a telecon or face-to-face discussion at a future TC meeting to plan a way forward on this topic. I also recommend that interested people bring up the subject on the OGC 3D Information Management Domain Working Group (3DIM DWG) mailing list:
>
> 3dim.wg at lists.opengeospatial.org <mailto:3dim.wg at lists.opengeospatial.org><mailto:3dim.wg at lists.opengeospatial.org <mailto:3dim.wg at lists.opengeospatial.org>>
>
> Best Regards,
> Scott
>
> Scott Simmons
> Executive Director, Standards Program
> Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
> tel +1 970 682 1922
> mob +1 970 214 9467
> ssimmons at opengeospatial.org <mailto:ssimmons at opengeospatial.org><mailto:ssimmons at opengeospatial.org <mailto:ssimmons at opengeospatial.org>>
>
> The OGC: Making Location Count…
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>
>
> On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:18 AM, Stefan Keller <sfkeller at gmail.com <mailto:sfkeller at gmail.com><mailto:sfkeller at gmail.com <mailto:sfkeller at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> 2015-03-03 7:13 GMT+01:00 Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com><mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>>> wrote:
> Hi Cameron,
> ...
> Currently there's no finalized conformance test suite available for GeoPackage
> to test implementations, so there's no official reference implementation or
> conformant implementations.
>
> I'd wish Scott or somebody from OGC could comment on this (and this
> thread in general).
>
> * It is probably not appropriate for OSGeo as an organisation to
> directly point out ESRI's lack of support for GeoPackage write capability.
>
> I agree. The best marketing, if needed, would be to point at our
> implementations that do support write capability.
>
> Be aware that it's not only read/write support one should report and
> request in order to make a standard format an alternative to
> Shapefiles.
> For ArcGIS it's also edit capabilities (for whatever reason...).
>
> Yours, S.
>
>
> 2015-03-03 7:13 GMT+01:00 Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com><mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>>>:
> Hi Cameron,
>
> It is difficult for OSGeo to stop a vendor from promoting their product,
> or promoting a specific lock in strategy.
>
> Of course. That was exactly my point.
>
>
> But we can:
> * Support the OGC in developing an OGC standard for LiDAR. Once a
> standard is in place, there is a much stronger reason to make use of
> that Open Standard. In particular, many national government agencies
> have policies which promote standards over proprietary interfaces.
>
> With my mostly uninformed eyes in that topic, I don't know if OGC is the most
> relevant organization in that matter. It seems that the ASPRS would be a more
> natural host as it has already published the spec of the (uncompressed) LAS
> format:
> http://www.asprs.org/Committee-General/LASer-LAS-File-Format-Exchange- <http://www.asprs.org/Committee-General/LASer-LAS-File-Format-Exchange->
> Activities.html
>
> I'm not sure about the LASzip format however, the compressed one, which is the
> one that ESRI has "cloned" into zLAS. I skimmed through http://www.laszip.org/ <http://www.laszip.org/>
> and couldn't find a reference to something more formal than LGPL code that
> implements it ;-)
>
>
> * Provide a position statement (as has been suggested) which explains
> technically the pros and cons of both the proprietary and open LiDAR
> interface.
>
> There are at least a few persons in the OSGeo community that have direct
> interest in LiDAR and are likely reading this thread. Perhaps some discussions
> are already happening behind the scene ?
>
>
> Regarding OGC GeoPackage standard:
> * I would hope that OGC's list of standards supported has a tick for
> read only, and tick for read/write support, so consumers can tell the
> difference.
>
> Currently there's no finalized conformance test suite available for GeoPackage
> to test implementations, so there's no official reference implementation or
> conformant implementations. I guess the conformance test suite would be
> similar to the KML one, in that you submit a file, and it is validated. So it
> "proves" that you can write a conformant file. Funnily, read-only
> implementations could not get the stamp!
>
> * It is probably not appropriate for OSGeo as an organisation to
> directly point out ESRI's lack of support for GeoPackage write capability.
>
> I agree. The best marketing, if needed, would be to point at our
> implementations that do support write capability.
>
> * However, it is totally appropriate for individuals and news agencies
> to write about it.
>
> On 2/03/2015 9:37 pm, Even Rouault wrote:
> Stefan,
>
> That a proprietary vendor decides not to implement a standard in its
> products is mainly its problem (as well as the one of its customers).
> Especially as they are plenty of FOSS alternatives that implement the
> standard! So I'd say it is a selling point for FOSS.
>
> The annoying thing here is that a proprietary vendor aggressively pushes
> his *closed* format and tries to undermine an open format implemented by
> FOSS. So it really harms the FOSS community. In that matter, the
> Geoservices REST API episode would have been less critical as the
> protocol had been at least opened...
>
> Even
>
> Dear all, dear OSGeo Board
>
> While supporting this LAS related initiative I'd like to draw your
> attention to a potentially similar use case which is at least of same
> relevance:
>
> In April 2014 Esri officially announced support for >> GeoPackage <<
> vector in version 10.2.2 and raster in 10.3:
> http://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2014/04/14/support-for-ogc-geopackages <http://blogs.esri.com/esri/arcgis/2014/04/14/support-for-ogc-geopackages>
> -in -arcgis/ ("Support for OGC GeoPackage in ArcGIS")
>
> Now Esri support confirmed that in ArcgIS Desktop 10.3 only read-only
> access is possible. So, there's still no write nor edit capability
> (and no ArcGIS Server no Runtime) despite this FAQ:
> http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/42567 <http://support.esri.com/en/knowledgebase/techarticles/detail/42567>
> ("What versions of the OGC GeoPackage standard are supported?")
>
> I'm still looking for an answer for an "Enhancement Request" but I'm
> really concerned about Esri's commitment to (promised OGC) standards.
>
> Yours, S.
>
> 2015-03-01 22:38 GMT+01:00 Suchith Anand
> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>>>:
> Colleagues,
>
> I see these kind of developments also directly affecting Open
> Principles in Geo Education that "Geo for All" , OSGeo, ICA all stand
> for and are working together in our common mission of making
> geospatial education and opportunities accessible to all.
>
> "Geo for All" will take a stand on this as it not only affects our
> Academic colleagues and students working in LIDAR research and teaching
> but will have long term impacts on Open Principles in Geo Education. We
> will work to put our ideas in the Open Letter from OSGeo explaining
> this.
>
> "Geo for All" started from very humble beginnings and this was only
> possible because academic colleagues globally came together to change
> the status of Geo education. For decades even though there was great
> progress in GIS technologies, educational opportunities esp. in
> developing and poor countries were very small. This is now changing
> dramatically thanks to the efforts of our colleagues from Nepal to
> Uruguay.
>
> We got excellent support from all sectors (universities, industry ,
> governments etc) but to my surprise ESRI was the only proprietary
> vendor who was trying to undermine this initiative indirectly from
> the very start. I still cannot understand why this particular vendor
> wants to do that. I really hope the proprietors of this company will
> also support Open Principles in Geo Education (not just telling
> externally on Openness but actually practicing this). We want to have
> good relations with everyone in the Geospatial domain , so our hand of
> friendship is always open. So please let us all work together.
>
> Hardware costs are (and will) keep coming down, internet access is
> increasing (and will keep increasing) even in developing countries
> and with free and open source software, even poor schools in
> developing countries are getting small computer labs established ( i
> know this from my experience in India) .The convergence of all these
> factors with a great team of dedicated people is changing geoeducation
> forever.
>
> I strongly believe access of good quality education is everyones
> birthright and now we are for first time in history getting opportunity
> to make this possible. We will not accept putting artificial barriers
> like high cost proprietary software (which quite frankly they won't be
> able to even think of affording) which will continue denying quality
> education opportunities for millions of students globally (both in
> developed and developing countries).
>
> So why should i care? Because i learned one of the most important
> lessons in my life in my childhood from my grandmother (who though did
> not get the opportunity of "proper education" herself taught me the
> importance of the values of sharing and about "Vasudeva Kudumbam"
> which means "We all belong to one large Universal family" and " Geo
> for All" is for my Universal family and i will do everything in my
> abilities to make sure education opportunities are open to all.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> ________________________________________
> From: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>
> [ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
> [cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com><mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>] Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 7:37 PM
> To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); Paul Ramsey; Carl Reed
> Cc: P Kishor; Scott Simmons; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] The LAS format,
> the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
>
> What would strengthen a position for use of Open LIDAR interfaces would
> be if such an Open LIDAR interface were introduced into the OGC
> standards program.
>
> Carl,
> I'd be interested to hear you (or someone else from the OGC) explain
> how people should approach initiating an Open LIDAR standard, and how
> much effort / cost would be required to do so.
>
> The OSGeo community can then assess whether there is sufficient
> motivation to initiate such development of a standard.
>
> Patrick,
> For an Open Letter from OSGeo, it would be a very powerful statement if
> we can list a number of influential organisations who will commit to
> developing an open, interoperable standard. (This can be a section of
> the open letter with signatures).
>
> On 2/03/2015 4:57 am, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) wrote:
> Paul,
> I would care to refine the 'yawn' context of 'doing the right thing,'
> that of standing up to actions that directly contravene an
> organization's 'open exchange' mission. This would seem the kind of
> *engaged integrity* quite apart from one deserving a yawn. If your
> kids do something directly contrary to what the family needs for a
> healthy exchange of information, if a yawn is the response, there are
> even more serious issues at stake. -Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pramsey at cleverelephant.ca <mailto:pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>]
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:32 AM
> To: Carl Reed
> Cc: Cameron Shorter; P Kishor; Suchith Anand; Scott Simmons; OSGeo
> Discussions; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); OSGeo-Board;
> ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>> Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss]
> [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by
> ESRI
>
> Carl,
>
> No, it doesn't really clarify it. I think what people are wondering is
> "does OGC have a default mission and position that closed formats are
> bad for the industry and would it publicly admonish a member who took
> actions that ran counter to that position". I assume that, as a
> "member driven organization" whose membership includes the offender,
> the OGC will not be standing up and publicly saying "this company is
> contravening the spirit of our organization and mission, that it is
> supposedly supportive of".
>
> Am I incorrect?
>
> WRT to OSGeo, I think that black letter cases like this come along
> infrequently enough that it would not be at all inappropriate for
> OSGeo to publicly state what is wrong with the direction being taken
> in the world of LAS formats. The only trouble is, it's exactly what
> everyone expects we would do, and therefore will be greeted with a
> collective yawn. But it is the right thing, so we should still do it.
>
> ATB,
>
> P.
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Carl Reed <creed at opengeospatial.org <mailto:creed at opengeospatial.org><mailto:creed at opengeospatial.org <mailto:creed at opengeospatial.org>>>
>
> wrote:
> All -
>
> The OGC is not currently involved in activities related to defining
> or maintaining LIDAR specific modeling and related encoding
> standards. Any work the OGC has been doing WRT LIDAR is within the
> context of processing, visualization, and analytics. Obviously,
> existing OGC standards such as WCS and GMLJP2 can be used to encode
> and share small, processed LIDAR data sets. Feel free to check OGC
> email archives, project pages, and so forth for documentation on any
> ongoing discussions in the OGC related to LIDAR.
>
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/pub/www/ows9/innovations.html <http://www.opengeospatial.org/pub/www/ows9/innovations.html> : The
> thread participants looked at NITF, LIDAR, and DAP/OPeNDAP, and
> investigated their re-implementation in an OWS environment with a
> focus on the Web.
>
> or
>
> http://koenigstuhl.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/publications/bonn/conferenc <http://koenigstuhl.geog.uni-heidelberg.de/publications/bonn/conferenc>
> e /LanigGeoinformatik09.pdf
>
> for examples.
>
> Hope this clarifies the current OGC position.
>
> Regards
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Suchith Anand
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 4:20 AM
> To: Cameron Shorter ; P Kishor ; Suchith Anand
> Cc: discuss at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org> ; Hogan, Patrick(ARC-PX) ;
> board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org> ; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format,
> the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
>
>
> Hi Cameron,
>
> Thank you for this excellent suggestion. I remember this previous
> Geoservices REST API issues and discussions.
>
> Patrick - Could you please start a wiki page and input as much
> information as you know on this (ideally in the same structure as the
> Geoservices REST API wiki ). Once it is ready, please email the
> community and OSGeo Board and we all can look into this.
>
> Anyone from OGC willing to help with this?
>
> I think this should be open letter from the OSGeo Board to the whole
> Geo community. I really hope this proprietary vendor (ESRI) will be
> decent enough to not keep repeating these inappropriate actions in
> the future.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>]
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:47 AM
> To: P Kishor; Suchith Anand
> Cc: discuss at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org>; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX);
> board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the
> ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
>
> Patrick, others,
> OSGeo and related OGC communities have been successful previously in
> stopping ESRI's inappropriate creation of OGC standards. See here:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Geoservices_REST_API>
>
> I'd suggest that if we as OSGeo wish to be effective at blocking a
> vendor lock-in tactic, as seems to be the case, then we should
> consider developing a similar wiki page for the LAS format debate.
>
> 0. Write an open letter (who to? OGC?) 1. Describe the issue. (Is
> there someone who knows the issues well enough to describe them?) 2.
> Describe technically why one format is or is not better than the
> other, on both a technical and commercial point of view.
> 3. Is the Open LIDAR format an OGC standard?
> 4. If needed, collect signatures.
> 5. If needed, ask OSGeo Board to present the open letter
>
> On 28/02/2015 11:18 am, P Kishor wrote:
> Thanks Patrick for surfacing this. Yes, this should be opened up for
> scrutiny by the entire community and we should all weigh in.
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Suchith Anand
> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
>
> Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I believe the OSGeo Board
> need to look into this and prepare a position paper with inputs from
> the community as this has wider implications. This also need to be
> discussed with like minded organisations. We all can provide the
> needed support for this.
>
> Jeff and OSGeo Board - please add this to the next month Board
> meeting's agenda items. Thanks.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
> ________________________________________
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> @ lists.osgeo.org <http://lists.osgeo.org/>>] On Behalf Of Lene Fischer
> [lfi at ign.ku.dk <mailto:lfi at ign.ku.dk><mailto:lfi at ign.ku.dk <mailto:lfi at ign.ku.dk>>]
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:29 PM
> To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX);
> ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org><mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ
> clone” by ESRI
>
> +1
>
>
> Lene Fischer
> Associate Professor
>
> Department of Geosciences and Natural Resource Management University
> of Copenhagen
>
> MOB +45 40115084<tel:%2B45%2040115084>
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> Fra:
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> På vegne af Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
> Sendt: 27. februar 2015 18:48
> Til:
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> Emne: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone”
> by ESRI
>
> Dear OSGEO,
> For what our good name is worth. . .
> Do we have an opinion on something so essential as an open standard
> for a data format?
> Speak now, or forever hand over your wallet. Individual and
> collective response encouraged.
>
> Can OSGEO provide a short position paper commenting on our values?
> I.e., “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [data] are
> created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
> unalienable Rights, that among these [is Life, Liberty and the
> pursuit of Openness].”
>
> The LAS format, the ASPRS, and the “LAZ clone” by ESRI
> http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clo <http://rapidlasso.com/2015/02/22/lidar-las-asprs-esri-and-the-laz-clo>
> n e/
>
> [First paragraph]
> We are concerned about ESRI’s next moves in forcing yet another
> proprietary format into wide-spread deployment. Forwarded emails,
> retold conversations, and personal experiences suggest that sneaky
> tactics<http://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/ <http://rapidlasso.com/2014/11/06/keeping-esri-honest/>> are
> being used to disrupt the harmony in open LiDAR formats that we have
> enjoyed for many years.
> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D052C3.B23B1060] <cid:image002.jpg at 01D052C3.B23B1060]>
>
> Thanks much,
> -Patrick
> Project Manager
> NASA World Wind
>
>
>
>
>
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