[Board] [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship
Sanghee Shin
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> 2015. 11. 26., 오후 8:36, Arnulf Christl <arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net> 작성:
>
> Dear OSGeo Board,
> if OSGeo does not manage to reactivate/reinvigorate the Education
> Committee, then we will not have one. OSGeo is a do-ocracy, right? This
> is how OSGeo functions. Forcing something in place just because will
> probably not work.
>
> In my opinion we should let Geo4All go where it wants to go, otherwise
> chances are high we restrict it's potential. At the same time I am
> absolutely sure that Geo4All will continue to focus on good, solid Open
> Source software as we promote it through OSGeo. If Geo4All were
> something that emerged "outside" of OSGeo then I would absolutely push
> for joining and supporting the initiative. Does this make any sense?
>
>
> Geo4All Advisory Board,
> I would like to keep the close bounds to OSGeo - simply because it is
> the Open Source compass for geospatial Open Source and therefore the
> natural place to go to for selecting best practice technology for
> education.
>
> Wrt. to the lab name "Geo4All Partners" sounds like a good middle path.
> I would refrain from externalizing Geo4All as a separate legal entity.
> This will only eat up resources and divert energy from what we want to
> achieve. Maybe at a later stage (and with too much funding coming in)
> this may make sense, right now I do not really see the need (or funding
> or volunteers).
>
> Having responsible and thoroughly "Open Source" educated people act as
> OSGeo liaison officer totally makes sense (as suggested Venka, Helena).
>
> Which option does this best map to? Not sure, seems like 2 would make
> more sense? I do believe that option 1 and 1b look like OSGeo is trying
> to "grab a hold of" Geo4All. Instead I would like to see us "let go of
> it" and at the same time have the confidence that it will always stick
> with OSGeo's mission, because there is solid involvement from OSGeo
> folks and simply because our Open Source software is the core asset for
> the labs.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Arnulf
>
> On 18.11.2015 08:01, Suchith Anand wrote:
>> Thanks Jeff, Charlie, Venka, Jeroen for your inputs and ideas. I am sure
>> with the combined wisdom of everyone , we will find the best solution.
>> As Charlie said we can keep promoting OSGeo and all OSGeo official
>> projects and keep partnership with educational (and research) efforts
>> with other open projects (who might one day join OSGeo). We need to keep
>> doors of collaborations open as it is key for growth.
>>
>> Building Bridges (the theme of FOSS4G Bonn) is very appropriate and also
>> good point to think for next stage (10th Anniversary) of OSGeo's growth.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Suchith
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of
>> Jeroen Ticheler [jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:47 AM
>> *To:* GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be
>> needed: [Board] geo4all relationship
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I prefer option 1 as it seems to be the logical next step. However I
>> would suggest the OSGeo board to not force a big process of change onto
>> the geo4all committee. This transition could go step by step. Options 1B
>> and 2 are not optimal I think.
>> Greeting,
>> Jeroen
>>
>>
>> Op 18 nov. 2015 om 02:11 heeft Venkatesh Raghavan
>> <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp <mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>>
>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> I prefer Scenario 1 as it reflects more closely to the information
>>> presently available
>>> on the OSGeo Website. I think Scenario 1 is less confusion as it also
>>> clarifies the status
>>> of former Edu Committee.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Venka
>>>
>>> On 2015/11/18 6:17, Charles Schweik wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I think I'd like to hear the opinions of others.
>>>>
>>>> I lean toward 1b and want to keep rules 'lean'. I want to promote OSGeo and
>>>> OSGeo official projects, but I also want to make sure we keep strong
>>>> partnership with educational (and research) efforts with other projects
>>>> like NASA WorldWind.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't want rules around organization hinder good strong open
>>>> geospatial science and education collaboration.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Suchith,
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually wrote option 1b, so I can tell you that this option only works
>>>>> if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to focus on OSGeo as its
>>>>> education committee. This document was drafted because it seems that
>>>>> GeoForAll, as great as the initiative is for education, may not always have
>>>>> OSGeo in their interests (as many GeoForAll members have stated recently,
>>>>> that they should not be forced to promote OSGeo, they should have a
>>>>> choice). Well, this document was created because OSGeo really needs a
>>>>> committee/existing initiative to always promote OSGeo. So option1b can
>>>>> only work if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to always promote
>>>>> OSGeo, as its education "arm" of the foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>> So before you overwhelmingly choose option 1b, please realize that this
>>>>> would mean that GeoForAll would be responsible for always promoting OSGeo.
>>>>>
>>>>> So maybe GeoForAll needs to debate what is actually its focus, is it
>>>>> OSGeo, or, is it in fact nothing to do with OSGeo, because it promotes
>>>>> "open" through many different tools and organizations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I want Option 1b, but at the same time, I also want GeoForAll
>>>>> to realize that the OSGeo foundation needs a committee/group/initiative to
>>>>> always be out there promoting OSGeo. If this is a problem, then Option 1b
>>>>> unfortunately will not work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this explanation helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-11-17 4:34 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Phillip,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, if Option 1b gets more votes, then in this scenario Geo4All would
>>>>>> be required to name an officer who would liaise with the OSGeo Board (as
>>>>>> every other OSGeo committee does). Then my suggestion is that someone who
>>>>>> is an OSGeo Board member (Venka or Helena) is nominated for this role.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: Phillip Davis [pdavis at delmar.edu]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM
>>>>>> To: Suchith Anand; Helena Mitasova; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> Subject: RE: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board]
>>>>>> geo4all relationship
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like 1a provides easiest implementation path and keeps GeoForAll
>>>>>> unique identity. Option 1b provides more autonomy for GeoForAll, but the
>>>>>> requirement for an officer is somewhat problematic, since that would be
>>>>>> more or less permanent and might entail much footwork?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My vote is 1a.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Phillip Davis
>>>>>> Director GeoAcademy (http://fossgeo.org)
>>>>>> Professor: Del Mar College Department of Computer
>>>>>> Science-Engineering-Advanced Technology
>>>>>> Program Lead: Geographic Information System & Cartography - Geospatial
>>>>>> Technology Program
>>>>>> 101 Baldwin, VB 153 | Corpus Christi, TX 78404
>>>>>> 361.698.1476 | 361.698.1475 | 361.698.1479 fax
>>>>>> pdavis at delmar.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ALL THESE WORLDS…ARE YOURS…EXCEPT TEXAS…ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Suchith Anand
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:05 PM
>>>>>> To: Helena Mitasova; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
>>>>>> [Board] geo4all relationship
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Helena. Please all AB members provide feedback and vote on their
>>>>>> choice of scenario by 30th Nov 2015.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also Regional Chairs please inform your views on Regional chairs being
>>>>>> constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure if there is a majority
>>>>>> vote for Scenario 1? Yes/No
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: Helena Mitasova [hmitaso at ncsu.edu]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:41 PM
>>>>>> To: GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> Cc: Suchith Anand
>>>>>> Subject: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board] geo4all
>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for presenting the GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship < https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship> document to
>>>>>> the community.
>>>>>> I noticed that the link to the actual document was somewhat burried in
>>>>>> the forwarded email where it could be overlooked. I am resending it at
>>>>>> least for the advisory board because after discussion a decision and vote
>>>>>> on one of the options (perhaps with some revisions) will be needed.
>>>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helena
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Suchith Anand <
>>>>>>> Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and forwarding to
>>>>>>> Geo4All advisory Board and community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recently there had been discussions on the future directions for
>>>>>>> Geo4All .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a meeting at
>>>>>>> Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot of discussions
>>>>>>> among our members in our mail lists etc and the meeting at Como[1] that
>>>>>>> was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and
>>>>>>> Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll:
>>>>>>> OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo website at
>>>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/education . Venka has also presented this outcomes
>>>>>>> at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive and include all
>>>>>>> partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All
>>>>>>> education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the
>>>>>>> principles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up OSGeo's
>>>>>>> education aims by collaborating with like minded organisations and it is
>>>>>>> one of the most successful initiatives that we have undertaken. OSGeo Board
>>>>>>> has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and
>>>>>>> universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have trusted the
>>>>>>> MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined the network , so it is
>>>>>>> important we provide strong continuity and focus. MoUs have to be respected
>>>>>>> and the momentum created need to build upon with clear direction and focus.
>>>>>>> It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to be
>>>>>>> taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and
>>>>>>> keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has
>>>>>>> MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers
>>>>>>> for this is build upon for the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities
>>>>>>> globally .Members have been running courses,training events,workshops
>>>>>>> using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of students
>>>>>>> globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally. Geo4All members
>>>>>>> have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum development effort and
>>>>>>> will continue to expand this by having more course materials in various
>>>>>>> OSGeo software added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make
>>>>>>> use of for their teaching and education.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with
>>>>>>> for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome
>>>>>>> everyone who are following the principles. That way the OSGeo Board will be
>>>>>>> able to keep expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other
>>>>>>> organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll
>>>>>>> as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other
>>>>>>> organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts
>>>>>>> put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the
>>>>>>> options - Scenario 1 seems to be best option based on the Como discussions
>>>>>>> for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep
>>>>>>> collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include representatives
>>>>>>> from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All Advisory Board comprises of
>>>>>>> representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo and other organisations that join in
>>>>>>> future. As a partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering
>>>>>>> Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
>>>>>>> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) need to
>>>>>>> be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation. The PSC could liaise with
>>>>>>> Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and means to achieve mutual goals and
>>>>>>> objectives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
>>>>>>> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) please
>>>>>>> let us know if you are happy to being constituted within the OSGeo
>>>>>>> Foundation structure?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their
>>>>>>> suggestions on this, so we can move forward. It is important that proper
>>>>>>> structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth
>>>>>>> transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with
>>>>>>> ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also
>>>>>>> make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon
>>>>>>> for the future.Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2] http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Board [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Jody Garnett
>>>>>>> [jody.garnett at gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM
>>>>>>> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Board] geo4all relationship
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have added an entry to our wiki for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of GeoForAll
>>>>>>> OSGeo Relationship with Geo4All advisory board
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on the
>>>>>>> GeoForAll advisory board.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for taking taking on what is an important relationship for our
>>>>>>> foundation objectives.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>
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