[Board] [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship

Thu Nov 26 10:30:43 PST 2015

On 2015/11/27 3:04, Phillip Davis wrote:
> Open source tools, like NASA WorldWind, are not supported nor developed by OSGeo, but clearly come under the banner of G4A.
I think that is the same as what I have said. Also, "NASA OPEN SOURCE 
AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3"
under which WorldWind is released is compatible with  OSI-certified open 
source license [1].
Would be great if it could be included as a part of the OSGeo-Live package.

Best

Venka


[1] https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3
> ________________________________________
> From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan [raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:02 PM
> To: OSGeo Board; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am traveling now and haven't had time to go through all the mails in
> this thread. Maybe what I say below could be a bit off-topic.
>
> OSGeo as a foundation has been inclusive and diverse. This is evident
> from the presentations at our FOSS4G events of contents the our OSGeo-Live
> which include several software projects that are not OSGeo projects.
> I think Geo4All takes up a similar position as our FOSS4G events
> and OSGeo-Live to include projects that are not a part of OSGeo.
>
> I have noticed some comments to the effect that OSGeo seems to about
> OSGeo "products"
> and I do not think that is true (as evident from our FOSS4G events and
> OSGeo LIve
> package).
>
> There has also been some talk about where do we draw a line on what we
> can include under
> the umbrella of Geo4All. I believe that Geo4All is an initiative to
> promote Free and Open Source
> Geospatial Software. So any geospatial software that requires a
> proprietary software or
> library to be installed before it can be executed can neither be a part
> of OSGeo nor Geo4All.
> Also, any software that is not made available under a valid Open Source
> License can neither
> be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All, I think.
>
> Geo4All as an integral part of OSGeo (Scenario 1 and 1B) or OSGeo being
> one of the "partners"
> of OSGeo is something that the Geo4All advisory board has to decide.
>
> OSGeo as a foundation, has a priority of supporting/promoting software
> that are its integral part.
> OSGeo has no issues with other open source software "products" being a
> part of events and
> initiatives supported/fostered by OSGeo.
>
> I would also like to mention that OSGeo student awards that were
> presented at FOSS4G-2015 are
> for innovative use of OSGeo "products" and as a foundation it is one of
> ways to promote wider
> use of OSGeo "products".
>
> Does ICA or ISPRS have some in-house projects or initiatives that need
> to be included as a part of
> Geo4All initiative? Or is there some compelling reason why Geo4All needs
> to be an independent
> initiatives despite fact that the "partners" have concluded an MoU to be
> "equal" partners in
> promoting Free and Open Software, Data, Standards for Geospatial Education?
>
> As I have mentioned before, Scenario 1 reflects what is presently shown
> in the OSGeo and Geo4All
> websites. Scenario 1B is a variant and only does away with the OSGeo Edu
> Committee. And my preference would be for either 1 or 1B over Scenario 2.
>
> Best
>
> Venka
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
>
> On 2015/11/27 0:05, Sanghee Shin wrote:
>> +1
>>
>>> 2015. 11. 26., 오후 8:36, Arnulf Christl <arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net> 작성:
>>>
>>> Dear OSGeo Board,
>>> if OSGeo does not manage to reactivate/reinvigorate the Education
>>> Committee, then we will not have one. OSGeo is a do-ocracy, right? This
>>> is how OSGeo functions. Forcing something in place just because will
>>> probably not work.
>>>
>>> In my opinion we should let Geo4All go where it wants to go, otherwise
>>> chances are high we restrict it's potential. At the same time I am
>>> absolutely sure that Geo4All will continue to focus on good, solid Open
>>> Source software as we promote it through OSGeo. If Geo4All were
>>> something that emerged "outside" of OSGeo then I would absolutely push
>>> for joining and supporting the initiative. Does this make any sense?
>>>
>>>
>>> Geo4All Advisory Board,
>>> I would like to keep the close bounds to OSGeo - simply because it is
>>> the Open Source compass for geospatial Open Source and therefore the
>>> natural place to go to for selecting best practice technology for
>>> education.
>>>
>>> Wrt. to the lab name "Geo4All Partners" sounds like a good middle path.
>>> I would refrain from externalizing Geo4All as a separate legal entity.
>>> This will only eat up resources and divert energy from what we want to
>>> achieve. Maybe at a later stage (and with too much funding coming in)
>>> this may make sense, right now I do not really see the need (or funding
>>> or volunteers).
>>>
>>> Having responsible and thoroughly "Open Source" educated people act as
>>> OSGeo liaison officer totally makes sense (as suggested Venka, Helena).
>>>
>>> Which option does this best map to? Not sure, seems like 2 would make
>>> more sense? I do believe that option 1 and 1b look like OSGeo is trying
>>> to "grab a hold of" Geo4All. Instead I would like to see us "let go of
>>> it" and at the same time have the confidence that it will always stick
>>> with OSGeo's mission, because there is solid involvement from OSGeo
>>> folks and simply because our Open Source software is the core asset for
>>> the labs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Arnulf
>>>
>>> On 18.11.2015 08:01, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>> Thanks Jeff, Charlie, Venka, Jeroen for your inputs and ideas. I am sure
>>>> with the combined wisdom of everyone , we will find the best solution.
>>>> As Charlie said we can keep promoting OSGeo and all OSGeo official
>>>> projects and keep  partnership with educational (and research) efforts
>>>> with other open projects (who might one day join OSGeo). We need to keep
>>>> doors of collaborations open as it is key for growth.
>>>>
>>>> Building Bridges (the theme of FOSS4G Bonn) is very appropriate and also
>>>> good point to think for next stage (10th Anniversary) of OSGeo's growth.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Suchith
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of
>>>> Jeroen Ticheler [jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net]
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:47 AM
>>>> *To:* GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be
>>>> needed: [Board] geo4all relationship
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I prefer option 1 as it seems to be the logical next step. However I
>>>> would suggest the OSGeo board to not force a big process of change onto
>>>> the geo4all committee. This transition could go step by step. Options 1B
>>>> and 2 are not optimal I think.
>>>> Greeting,
>>>> Jeroen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op 18 nov. 2015 om 02:11 heeft Venkatesh Raghavan
>>>> <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp <mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>>
>>>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> I prefer  Scenario 1 as it reflects more closely to the information
>>>>> presently available
>>>>> on the OSGeo Website. I think Scenario 1 is less confusion as it also
>>>>> clarifies the status
>>>>> of former Edu Committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Venka
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015/11/18 6:17, Charles Schweik wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I'd like to hear the opinions of others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I lean toward 1b and want to keep rules 'lean'. I want to promote OSGeo and
>>>>>> OSGeo official projects, but I also want to make sure we keep strong
>>>>>> partnership with educational (and research) efforts with other projects
>>>>>> like NASA WorldWind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I don't want rules around organization hinder good strong open
>>>>>> geospatial science and education collaboration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually wrote option 1b, so I can tell you that this option only works
>>>>>>> if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to focus on OSGeo as its
>>>>>>> education committee.  This document was drafted because it seems that
>>>>>>> GeoForAll, as great as the initiative is for education, may not always have
>>>>>>> OSGeo in their interests (as many GeoForAll members have stated recently,
>>>>>>> that they should not be forced to promote OSGeo, they should have a
>>>>>>> choice).  Well, this document was created because OSGeo really needs a
>>>>>>> committee/existing initiative to always promote OSGeo.  So option1b can
>>>>>>> only work if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to always promote
>>>>>>> OSGeo, as its education "arm" of the foundation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So before you overwhelmingly choose option 1b, please realize that this
>>>>>>> would mean that GeoForAll would be responsible for always promoting OSGeo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So maybe GeoForAll needs to debate what is actually its focus, is it
>>>>>>> OSGeo, or, is it in fact nothing to do with OSGeo, because it promotes
>>>>>>> "open" through many different tools and organizations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I want Option 1b, but at the same time, I also want GeoForAll
>>>>>>> to realize that the OSGeo foundation needs a committee/group/initiative to
>>>>>>> always be out there promoting OSGeo.  If this is a problem, then Option 1b
>>>>>>> unfortunately will not work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope this explanation helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-17 4:34 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Phillip,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, if Option 1b gets more votes, then  in this scenario Geo4All would
>>>>>>>> be required to name an officer who would liaise with the OSGeo Board (as
>>>>>>>> every other OSGeo committee does). Then my suggestion is that someone who
>>>>>>>> is an OSGeo Board member (Venka or Helena) is nominated for this role.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Phillip Davis [pdavis at delmar.edu]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Suchith Anand; Helena Mitasova; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board]
>>>>>>>> geo4all relationship
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like 1a provides easiest implementation path and keeps GeoForAll
>>>>>>>> unique identity.  Option 1b provides more autonomy for GeoForAll, but the
>>>>>>>> requirement for an officer is somewhat problematic, since that would be
>>>>>>>> more or less permanent and might entail much footwork?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My vote is 1a.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr. Phillip Davis
>>>>>>>> Director GeoAcademy (http://fossgeo.org)
>>>>>>>> Professor: Del Mar College Department of Computer
>>>>>>>> Science-Engineering-Advanced Technology
>>>>>>>> Program Lead: Geographic Information System & Cartography - Geospatial
>>>>>>>> Technology Program
>>>>>>>> 101 Baldwin, VB 153 | Corpus Christi, TX 78404
>>>>>>>> 361.698.1476 | 361.698.1475 | 361.698.1479 fax
>>>>>>>> pdavis at delmar.edu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ALL THESE WORLDS…ARE YOURS…EXCEPT TEXAS…ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:05 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Helena Mitasova; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
>>>>>>>> [Board] geo4all relationship
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Helena. Please all AB members provide feedback and vote on their
>>>>>>>> choice of scenario by 30th Nov 2015.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also Regional Chairs please inform your views on  Regional chairs being
>>>>>>>> constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure if there is a majority
>>>>>>>> vote for Scenario 1? Yes/No
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Helena Mitasova [hmitaso at ncsu.edu]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:41 PM
>>>>>>>> To: GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>>> Cc: Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>> Subject: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board] geo4all
>>>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for presenting the GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship < https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship> document to
>>>>>>>> the community.
>>>>>>>> I noticed that the link to the actual document was somewhat burried in
>>>>>>>> the forwarded email where it could be overlooked. I am resending it at
>>>>>>>> least for the advisory board because after discussion a decision and vote
>>>>>>>> on one of the options (perhaps with some revisions) will be needed.
>>>>>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Helena
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Suchith Anand <
>>>>>>>>> Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and forwarding to
>>>>>>>>> Geo4All advisory Board and community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Recently there had been  discussions on the future directions for
>>>>>>>>> Geo4All  .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a meeting at
>>>>>>>>> Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot of discussions
>>>>>>>>> among our members in our mail lists  etc and the meeting at Como[1] that
>>>>>>>>> was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and
>>>>>>>>> Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll:
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo website at
>>>>>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/education . Venka has also presented this outcomes
>>>>>>>>> at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive and include all
>>>>>>>>> partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All
>>>>>>>>> education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the
>>>>>>>>> principles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up OSGeo's
>>>>>>>>> education aims by collaborating with like minded organisations and it is
>>>>>>>>> one of the most successful initiatives that we have undertaken. OSGeo Board
>>>>>>>>> has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and
>>>>>>>>> universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have trusted the
>>>>>>>>> MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined the network , so it is
>>>>>>>>> important we provide strong continuity and focus. MoUs have to be respected
>>>>>>>>> and the momentum created need to build upon with clear direction and focus.
>>>>>>>>> It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to be
>>>>>>>>> taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and
>>>>>>>>> keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has
>>>>>>>>> MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers
>>>>>>>>> for this is build upon for the future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities
>>>>>>>>> globally .Members have been running courses,training events,workshops
>>>>>>>>> using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of students
>>>>>>>>> globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally. Geo4All members
>>>>>>>>> have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum development effort and
>>>>>>>>> will continue to expand this by having more course materials in various
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo software added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make
>>>>>>>>> use of for their teaching and education.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with
>>>>>>>>> for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome
>>>>>>>>> everyone who are following the principles. That way the OSGeo Board will be
>>>>>>>>> able to keep expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other
>>>>>>>>> organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll
>>>>>>>>> as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other
>>>>>>>>> organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts
>>>>>>>>> put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build upon for the future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the
>>>>>>>>> options - Scenario 1 seems to  be best option based on the Como discussions
>>>>>>>>> for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep
>>>>>>>>> collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU
>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include representatives
>>>>>>>>> from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All Advisory Board comprises of
>>>>>>>>> representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo and other organisations that join in
>>>>>>>>> future. As a partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering
>>>>>>>>> Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
>>>>>>>>> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) need to
>>>>>>>>> be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation. The PSC could liaise with
>>>>>>>>> Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and means to achieve mutual goals and
>>>>>>>>> objectives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
>>>>>>>>> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All)  please
>>>>>>>>> let us know if you are happy to being  constituted within the OSGeo
>>>>>>>>> Foundation structure?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their
>>>>>>>>> suggestions on this, so we can  move forward. It is important that proper
>>>>>>>>> structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth
>>>>>>>>> transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with
>>>>>>>>> ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also
>>>>>>>>> make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build upon
>>>>>>>>> for the future.Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [2] http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Board [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>>> [jody.garnett at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Board] geo4all relationship
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have added an entry to our wiki for:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of GeoForAll
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo Relationship with Geo4All advisory board
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on the
>>>>>>>>> GeoForAll advisory board.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for taking taking on what is an important relationship for our
>>>>>>>>> foundation objectives.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>>>
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