[Board] [Ica-osgeo-labs] [geoforall-ab] geo4all relationship

Mon Nov 30 08:24:30 PST 2015

I did not intend to be harsh, it sounds like there are many interesting
questions for the advisor board.

This document is all about - do you want OSGeo to be the party formalizing
relationships that are decided on, or do you need to set up a distinct
legal entity?

If you are not sure yet you can ask OSGeo to continue acting in this
capacity, and form a distinct entity "later" when the advisory board is
ready - with a broader base of participants?
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:55 AM Suchith Anand <
Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi Maxi,
>
> You, Venka, Helena and Jody did a good job to get this document and draft
> ideas for the structure started. Thanks for your efforts and inputs. If
> OSGeo Board needs a fast decision on the G4A organisation structure, let us
> use the draft scenarios (anyway these will need to be expanded with
> community inputs later) and goahead with the voting .
>
> Already more than half of AB members have send their votes to the list. I
> suggest that we extend the voting deadline to 10th Dec so that others can
> also vote (we will send a reminder in the list requesting everyone to vote
> by 10th Dec). Thanks.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* massimiliano.cannata at gmail.com [massimiliano.cannata at gmail.com]
> on behalf of Massimiliano Cannata [massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 9:27 AM
> *To:* Suchith Anand
> *Cc:* GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org; ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org;
> board at lists.osgeo.org; Venkatesh Raghavan
> *Subject:* Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [geoforall-ab] [Board] geo4all
> relationship
>
> Dear All, Jody, Suchit,
> I would like to gratefully thanks Jody for adding his lighting
> contribution to the document that three academic professors like Venka,
> Helena and myself have so poorly redacted so that "The original was
> pretty bad with many off topic questions .." . I would also like to
> remind that that Venka is member of the Advisory Board and Regional Chairs
> for the Asia Region, while Helena is regional Chair for the North America
> Region.
>
> From my point of view, the board need a fast decision about G4A
> organization structure. If not, from my point of view we should just remove
> links from OSGeo main page and then renegotiate later after G4A have taken
> his decision.
>
> Best,
> Maxi
>
>
>
> 2015-11-29 15:34 GMT+01:00 Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>:
>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> Thanks for this info. My suggestion is that we also allow the Geo4All
>> community to provide inputs and work on the various scenarios provided and
>> make it detailed before the AB members vote. So my suggestion for the
>> timeline for this is
>>
>> till Dec 15th - All community members to provide inputs/feedbacks for the
>> scenarios
>> Dec16th -Jan 10th - AB members to vote on their choice of scenario
>>
>>
>> The scenarios proposed should also focus on the fundamental point that
>> you raised - "are you happy with OSGeo signing MOUs to add new members to
>> GeoForAll, or do you want to be an osgeo subcommittee and do it yourself,
>> …. or do you want to set up a new legal entity."
>>
>> It is important that there is strong checks in place for ensuring Open
>> Principles in Geoeducation are safeguarded in the longterm and that is why
>> it is very important that MoUs are ONLY signed with like minded
>> organisations . This will ensure that in future also no MoUs are signed
>> with any organisations who might have properitery interests or agenda . We
>> have to ensure that all the good work and efforts put in by colleagues
>> globally for Open Principles in Geoeducation is protected. Hence, it is
>> important that OSGeo (i.e OSGeo Board) should  be the final decision maker
>> on all MoUs on behalf of Geo4All (as we are doing now). Once OSGeo Board
>> approves an MoU with an external organisation, then the OSGeo President can
>> sign the MoU with that organisation.
>>
>> The Advisory Board has done excellent work to bring in strategic inputs
>> from the wider Geo community for expanding the Geo4All initiative and we
>> need to take steps to strengthen it. The AB has to concentrate on the
>> efforts on refining the criteria, initiating new educational ideas,
>> expansion plans for teacher training etc .
>>
>> I am sure with the collective wisdom of everyone we will find a solution
>> which firmly protects Open Principles in Geoeducation and is acceptable for
>> all .
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Suchith
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jody Garnett [jody.garnett at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM
>> *To:* Suchith Anand
>> *Cc:* m.j.kraak at utwente.nl; silvanacamboim at gmail.com; mfinn at usgs.gov;
>> sg at icaci.org; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org;
>> ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] geo4all relationship
>>
>> I did not pay attention, it was a google doc
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/11k-Rld4CPBjxUhuI9W7OZ8_UxSlXaKsmtP1Ix7iOrCY/edit>
>> that I added some comments too and then was volunteered to port it to the
>> wiki (OSGeo is good at volunteering you for stuff). The original was pretty
>> bad with many off topic questions ...
>>
>> I did update the diagrams on the wiki, I still think that wiki page
>> misses the fundamental point - "are you happy with OSGeo signing MOUs to
>> add new members to GeoForAll, or do you want to be an osgeo subcommittee
>> and do it yourself, .... or do you want to set up a new legal entity.
>>
>> Personally: I kind of hope for OSGeo's sake that we can play this roll -
>> since it is part of our mandate and GeoForAll represents a great success of
>> the values we believe in.
>>
>> As a Board member for OSGeo I do not really mind what happens so long as
>> everyone is happy.
>>
>> (Please note I am not signed up to the mailing lists CCed on this thread
>> so each time I reply I get a full inbox of rejected messages).
>> --
>> Jody
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 26 November 2015 at 23:25, Suchith Anand <
>> Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jody, may i ask who first created these scenarios?  It will be good
>>> if the original document (i understand from your previous mail to the list
>>> that you used google docs) is shared and we all can update the diagrams
>>>  and scenarios to make things bit more clearer. I do not understand details
>>> of  scenario 1b for example.
>>>
>>> I suggest that we do this before we ask AB members to vote. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Suchith
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* m.j.kraak at utwente.nl [m.j.kraak at utwente.nl]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:47 PM
>>> *To:* jody.garnett at gmail.com
>>> *Cc:* suchith.anand at nottingham.ac.uk; silvanacamboim at gmail.com;
>>> mfinn at usgs.gov; sg at icaci.org; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org;
>>> ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] geo4all relationship
>>>
>>> I then suggest to make Wiki more clear so ICA can make a well informed
>>> final decision. For me the graph in option 2 was most clear.
>>> _______________________________________________________
>>>
>>> Prof. dr. Menno-Jan Kraak
>>>
>>> *University of Twente*
>>> Department of Geoinformation Processing
>>> Faculty of Geoinformation Science and Earth Observation
>>> PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede - the Netherlands
>>> Hengelosestraat 99, 7514 AE  Enschede - the Netherlands (visiting)
>>> +31534874463 / +31534874335 (fax)
>>> http://www.itc.nl/personal/kraak/
>>> m.j.kraak at utwente.nl
>>>
>>> *International Cartographic Association*
>>> President
>>> www.icaci.org
>>> president at icaci.org <president at icaic.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 26 nov. 2015, om 05:28 heeft Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>> I want to strongly state that OSGeo is not (and has never) asked for any
>>> restriction to promoting OSGeo projects. Our mandate at OSGeo is with
>>> respect to promoting open source software - irregardless of origin.
>>>
>>> The scenarios are identical in this respect - I apologize if their was
>>> any misunderstanding. I tried to provide examples that showed this.
>>>
>>> We do strongly ask that participation in open source be emphasized.
>>> Software is paid for in love or money - ask your students to show some love.
>>>
>>> If your choice of scenario was at all influenced by this
>>> misunderstanding I encourage you to evaluate the proposals again - they are
>>> just about organization structure.
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 8:05 PM <m.j.kraak at utwente.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> ICA viewpoint on this matter is:
>>>>
>>>> ICA’s reason to participate in and stimulate GeoforAll is to support
>>>> open source initiatives for education. This should be inclusive to all
>>>> possible open source initiatives, not necessarily to OSGEO ‘products’ only.
>>>>
>>>> This means we are in favor of scenario 2. Here OSGEO, ICA, ISPRS and
>>>> XXX are ‘equal’ partners, while XXX can be an organization like OSGEO or
>>>> like ICA and ISPRS.
>>>>
>>>> Both scenarios 1 and 1b seem to exclude other open source initiatives.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>> _______________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Prof. dr. Menno-Jan Kraak
>>>>
>>>> *University of Twente*
>>>> Department of Geoinformation Processing
>>>> Faculty of Geoinformation Science and Earth Observation
>>>> PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede - the Netherlands
>>>> Hengelosestraat 99, 7514 AE  Enschede - the Netherlands (visiting)
>>>> +31534874463 / +31534874335 (fax)
>>>> http://www.itc.nl/personal/kraak/
>>>> m.j.kraak at utwente.nl
>>>>
>>>> *International Cartographic Association*
>>>> President
>>>> www.icaci.org
>>>> president at icaci.org <president at icaic.org>
>>>>
>>>> <maillogo.png>
>>>>
>>>> Op 17 nov. 2015, om 13:19 heeft Suchith Anand <
>>>> suchith.anand at nottingham.ac.uk> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and forwarding to
>>>> Geo4All advisory Board and community.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Recently there had been  discussions on the future directions for
>>>> Geo4All  .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a meeting at
>>>> Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot of discussions
>>>> among our members in our mail lists  etc and the meeting at Como[1] that
>>>> was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and
>>>> Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll:
>>>> OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo website at
>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/education . Venka has also presented this
>>>> outcomes at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive and
>>>> include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this
>>>> OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are
>>>> following the principles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up OSGeo's
>>>> education aims by collaborating with like minded organisations and it is
>>>> one of the most successful initiatives that we have undertaken. OSGeo Board
>>>> has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and
>>>> universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have trusted the
>>>> MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined the network , so it is
>>>> important we provide strong continuity and focus. MoUs have to be respected
>>>> and the momentum created need to build upon with clear direction and focus.
>>>> It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to be
>>>> taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and
>>>> keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has
>>>> MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers
>>>> for this is build upon for the future.
>>>>
>>>> Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities
>>>> globally .Members have been running courses,training events,workshops
>>>>  using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of students
>>>> globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally. Geo4All members
>>>> have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum development effort and
>>>> will continue to expand this by having more course materials in various
>>>> OSGeo software added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make
>>>> use of for their teaching and education.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs
>>>> with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly
>>>> welcome everyone who are following the principles. That way the OSGeo Board
>>>> will be able to keep expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other
>>>> organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll
>>>> as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other
>>>> organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts
>>>> put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build upon for the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the
>>>> options - Scenario 1 seems to  be best option based on the Como discussions
>>>> for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep
>>>> collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU
>>>> with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include representatives
>>>> from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All Advisory Board comprises of
>>>> representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo and other organisations that join in
>>>> future. As a partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering
>>>> Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
>>>> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) need to
>>>> be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation. The PSC could liaise with
>>>> Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and means to achieve mutual goals and
>>>> objectives.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum
>>>> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All)  please
>>>> let us know if you are happy to being  constituted within the OSGeo
>>>> Foundation structure?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their
>>>> suggestions on this, so we can  move forward. It is important that
>>>> proper structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the
>>>> smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating
>>>> with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will
>>>> also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build
>>>> upon for the future.Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015
>>>> .Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Suchith
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting
>>>>
>>>> [2] http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Board [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Jody
>>>> Garnett [jody.garnett at gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM
>>>> *To:* board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> *Subject:* [Board] geo4all relationship
>>>>
>>>> I have added an entry to our wiki
>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Working_Groups> for:
>>>>
>>>> *Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of GeoForAll
>>>> OSGeo Relationship
>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship> with Geo4All
>>>> advisory board*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on the
>>>> GeoForAll advisory board.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for taking taking on what is an important relationship for
>>>> our foundation objectives.
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
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