[Board] MOT: support UN Workshop participation
Steven Feldman
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Sun Aug 21 08:01:46 PDT 2016
I agree with Jeroen that funding should come from the UN if they want us to attend. On the other hand if this is our initiative to seek participation in a UN initiative then we should be funding.
If the latter is the case, has there been a review process that has prioritised attendance at this event over other activities?
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Steven
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> From: "Brian M Hamlin" <maplabs at light42.com <mailto:maplabs at light42.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Board] MOT: support UN Workshop participation
> Date: 20 August 2016 at 17:04:48 BST
> To: Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net <mailto:jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net>>, Polimi <maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>
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> OSGeo Board Members, Professors, All -
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> In these early stage conversations, a few ideas :
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> * I feel it is possibly fatal to the efforts for FOSS Geo to speak about "replacement" of proprietary software, inside a United Nations committee or elsewhere, for several reasons:
> - it feeds fear among management that it is a war ..real intelligence is needed now, not fear-based decisions
> - there is more than enough work and resources for participants right now . there is an explosion of geo data and new applications,
> a plurality of allocation methods is needed, not monoculture. Do not become the likeness of your "enemy"
> - real invention and new repurposing is happening daily, not "replacement" of one old widget for another
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> * My experience with the United Nations in San Francisco has been mixed.. There is a continual addition of well-intentioned people who are insufficiently funded, making constant neediness a norm. However, some players bring resources and others can manage them well, so there is constructive forward motion, too.. A low-funds dot-org like OSGeo must be careful about using cash
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> * Sending committed representatives of OSGeo to a committee process is simultaneously an investment in those individuals, and OSGeo, and the committee process.. So if real synergy is possible, then many benefits may be seeded.. it might be good for OSGeo
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> * Please take seriously the deep impact of the process of software development here.. There is literally no way anyone can predict what breakthrough or opportunity may arise in this highly networked and computationally powerful digital age. However, the process must have defense.. the legal agreements and organizational disciplines of a mature dot-org are required, not optional, to bring powerful benfits and opportunity from early stage to realization. Competition, confusion of purpose, rivalry and mistrust, are real even with higher purpose motivations. Approach the United Nations and others with competancy each day.
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> for example, one hangover, a language barrier, and mistrust created a ridiculous series of events within our own OSGeo-Live team already, earlier this year.. the effects of that still hang like a bad smell while good work is being done, too .. these are setbacks and do not always heal well
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> * There are existential dangers in our age, and higher purpose action is needed. Whether this comes from commercial actors, Universities and institutions of learning, government, private sector.. each has their own strengths.. a non-commercial player has an opportunity to build relationships across these worlds. The United Nations may be a vehicle to reach governments, in particular.
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> more ideas on request
> best regards from Berkeley, California
> --Brian M Hamlin
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> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 03:24:23 +0200, Polimi <maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>> wrote:
> Jeroen, in my opinion the reasoning is upside down. UNOPenGIS is a joint relevant attempt of migration from proprietary to open source GIS. But it is not the project of UN. It is also our project, as Foundation. We are putting the usual volunteer effort, many people are contributing with less or much time. UN is putting the time of part of the staff and the support for their traveling. The same is doing the other teams contributing (like GEOShape, GeoSDI, the Korean Government,etc). What we are asking to OSGeo, as it was decide that this is an interesting attempt ( the aim is to verify if and how much it is possible to migrate to OS and this, in my opinion, is something of interest of OSGeo), is to support our travel to the workshop because this is important for speeding up the activity of that global heterogenous team.
> In conclusion: is this really interesting for OSGeo or not? if, at the end of the day, the answer is not, better to know it before. OSGeo can decide that we prefer to focus on something different and to put our effort on something more relevant for us. But it has to be decided. At this point, instead of saying that I'm doing this and that as OSGeo and G4A, I'll say that I'm doing that as Maria. Or simply, I go in holiday and avoid working all August. The point is what we think as strategic. If this is not strategic for OSGeo, just let me know ;-)
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> Il giorno 20 ago 2016, alle ore 02:43, Jeroen Ticheler <jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net <mailto:jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net>> ha scritto:
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> Dear Maxi,
> I think that the UN should financially support your participation if they are serious about the initiative. Speaking from experience inside out it seems not so good practice to have people fund their own participation. And although money can be an issue within the system, it is definitely a matter of prioritizing. IMHO honest prioritizing towards the use of FOSS is reflected by the UN's will to fund this (minimal!) expense.
> My 2 cents. Cheers,
> Jeroen
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> Op 19 aug. 2016 om 21:53 heeft Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>> het volgende geschreven:
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> Dear Board,
> I would like to ask for financial support for Maria Brovelli and Massimiliano Cannata to participate in the second UN openGIS initiative workshops (held in Seoul 7-11 Nov.) as requested from UN as members of the Strategic Board of the initiative.
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> The total cost per person should not exceed 1'500 €
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> Please, don't hesitate to ask for further required information.
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> Best,
> Maxi
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