[Board] UN Meeting

Wed Oct 12 04:58:22 PDT 2016

+1 Michael and Venka

We need to make sure that those who do the work get to decide. If our 
current guidelines need revision, we should look into that.

Best,
Angelos

On 10/12/2016 01:39 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
> It seems to me that this should be a by committee choice, how they want to self organize, what works best for them. We are a do-ocracy. We should let them do.
>
> Michael Smith
> Remote Sensing/GIS Center
> US Army Corps of Engineers
>
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:25 AM, Venka <venka.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sanghee and all,
>>
>> I am fine with autonomy for our committees and have
>> never been against it. We only need to state this clearly
>> in our Committee guidelines [1] which I choose to follow
>> in absence of any other guideline.
>>
>> I agree with what Arnulf stated well in his mail
>> [2]. I reproduce parts of his e-mail [2] below
>> as he has phrased it better than I can.
>>
>> "In that case we may want to change the general voting system to a majority vote as is typical for democratic systems. This is something for the board or maybe even the charter members to decide."
>>
>> So, let us decide;
>>
>> a) if majority vote will be 50% of the votes cast or X% as decided
>>    by the committee.
>> b) if a -1 vote can have different meanings for different committees
>> c) if committees is free to decide who could be a member, which
>> member could vote and which member is automatically retired.
>>
>> And having taken the decision, let us update our committee
>> guidelines [1] and also have our committees to come up with their
>> own guidelines and put it on the wiki. This will make our
>> decision making process clear and transparent.
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines
>> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2016-September/003944.html
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Venka
>>
>>> On 2016/10/12 18:10, Sanghee Shin wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> OSGeo is a community of communities and not a centralised
>>> organisation. I don’t believe Board could set up or apply any single
>>> clear governance rule for the whole committees. If there’s any
>>> weird(to some) governance procedure in any committees, that’s also
>>> the part of the committees’s long history that started before OSGeo.
>>> I support the autonomy of each committee which knows the real matter
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Cheers, 신상희 --- Shin, Sanghee Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>> http://www.gaia3d.com
>>>
>>>> 2016. 10. 11., 오후 3:26, Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> 작성:
>>>>
>>>> For completeness, the main point under discussion was the one
>>>> related to voting procedures. "Everyday topics will be decided upon
>>>> by an open vote of all list participants in a clearly designated
>>>> separate mail thread (+1/-1) over a minimum of two business days
>>>> with a minimum participation of 3 votes. Ideally we aim for
>>>> consensus falling back on simple majority vote where necessary. The
>>>> result will be clearly declared afterwards (or whatever is
>>>> decided)." I believed (and still believe) that for important
>>>> decisions as those of the CC, we need more participation in voting,
>>>> i.e. a quorum of 50 %. As far as I have understood there is a
>>>> handful of such decisions a year. After a long discussion about
>>>> this topic, what was suggested by many volunteers (of the CC or not
>>>> of the CC) is that the governance has to be decided by the Board
>>>> and the CC decides only on the Conferences. Here we are: we will
>>>> discuss this topic in next Board meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An for precision: when we made this discussion and I proposed to
>>>> put the decision of governance in the hand of the Board, I was not
>>>> in  the Board.
>>>>
>>>> Lovely day. Maria
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- Prof. Maria
>>>> Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>>>> Politecnico di Milano
>>>>
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>>>> Challenge; SIFET Sol Katz Award 2015
>>>>
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>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it> e-mail2 <>:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Da: Board <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Cameron
>>>> Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> Inviato: lunedì 10 ottobre 2016
>>>> 22.38 A: Anita Graser; board at lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: Re: [Board]
>>>> UN Meeting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2016 4:53 AM, Anita Graser wrote:
>>>>> The board micro-managed the conference com? (I'm asking because I
>>>>> have not read the entire thread on the conf mailing list.) Any
>>>>> way, lets try not to repeat this process with the UNCom.
>>>> Hi Anita, I suggest read the thread embedded into my last email
>>>> I've just CCed to the board. It doesn't include everything, but
>>>> does include enough that you should get an idea.
>>>>
>>>> The quick summary: * After a conference committee face-to-face
>>>> meeting at FOSS4G, Steven took on an action to clarify conference
>>>> committee procedures. * He did this, put it out for comment,
>>>> actioned feedback, then put to the proposal to vote * He received
>>>> positive feedback from majority of the conference committee, and
>>>> two -1 vetos from Venka and Maria (who are also on the board). *
>>>> This resulted in 120+ emails, and a stalemate. * Maria has
>>>> suggested to solve the problem of voting rules by putting on the
>>>> board agenda. (Hence the implication of being micro-managed by the
>>>> board)
>>>>
>>>> -- Cameron Shorter M +61 419 142 254
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