[Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a European Chapter

Jody Garnett jody.garnett at gmail.com
Sun Jul 23 23:32:04 PDT 2017


Sure, osgeo acts as a bank account for our osgeo projects (if someone makes
a donation to openlayers right now osgeo holds it). Local chapters could
also act the same way if we wanted to.

Code sprints work the same way.

For context you asked me to consider ways in which a federation could do
things (groups with sub groups). This got us talking about money.

Not all local chapters have incorporated - for those that have not osgeo
helps right now. (Or if you set up a federation then the next group above
would take over helping).


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:20 AM Maria Antonia Brovelli <
maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:

> Dear Jody
> The bank account of OSGeo in Europe is not the bank account of the Eu
> OSGeo Chapter. Every local chapter has its own account, if they want. The
> Eu chapter will decide if it is needed or not and open or not consequently.
> But, in any case, it is not the OSGeo one.
> Probably I didn't understand what you wrote. Please can you better explain?
> Have a happy day
> Maria
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> Date: 23/07/2017 19:52 (GMT+01:00)
> To: Maria Antonia Brovelli <maria.brovelli at polimi.it>, Steven Feldman <
> shfeldman at gmail.com>, OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
> European Chapter
>
> Ah okay. It would be a significant change to set up osgeo as a federation
> (with groups and subgroups). I cannot imagine how that would help people or
> feel connected.
>
> I could see how it could help finically (shared bank account) or legally
> (shared incorporation costs). Are their any other benefits to federations I
> am missing?
>
> Note osgeo does have the ability to help on the financial side already no
> matter where a local chapter is located. The decision for osgeo to open
> additional bank accounts, such as euro, is a straight financial decision
> (reduce transfer fees) rather thank political.
>
> By the same token a local chapter incorporating to open a bank account is
> a straight tactical decision (does it help the group be more effective in
> their region). OSGeo is happy to work with a local chapter either way.
>
> The outreach is most important - how we are structured is secondary.
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 4:43 PM Maria Antonia Brovelli <
> maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:
>
>>
>> Just not to be misunderstood: I share the birth of the European chapter.
>> Since there is time before the next board, it seems to me a good thing to
>> be able to discuss it in the public list, possibly even with the details
>> (why we have to postpone if there is time?). Board members do not represent
>> themselves, but the community and therefore feel the views of the community
>> is part of our task. On the other hand, I think it is an important decision
>> and so I'm happy to have suggestions.
>> Best regards and thanks.
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> Pay attention to this Special Issue and see if it is of interest by you:
>>
>>
>> http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/Geospatial_Big_Data_Urban_Studies
>>
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>>
>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>> *Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli*
>>
>> Professor of GIS and Remote Sensing
>> Politecnico di Milano
>>
>> ISPRS WG IV/4 "Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping (C3M)"
>> http://www2.isprs.org/commissions/comm4/wg4.html, Board of Directors
>> of OSGeo; GeoForAll Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa Challenge;
>> SIFET Advisory Board
>>
>>
>> UN-GGIM Academic Network Deputy Chair, UN-GGIM Italy, UN OpenGIS
>> Initiative (Chair of the Capacity Building WG)
>>
>>
>> *Sol Katz Award 2015*
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>> ------------------------------
>> *Da:* Board <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Steven Feldman <
>> shfeldman at gmail.com>
>> *Inviato:* domenica 23 luglio 2017 14:44
>> *A:* OSGeo Board
>> *Oggetto:* Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
>> European Chapter
>>
>> I agree with Jody
>>
>> We have been talking about this European wide initiative for 2 years.
>> Let’s get it started and work out some of the detail along the way.
>>
>> We should have confidence in the efforts and intentions of the charter
>> members of OSGeo who are now establishing this European initiative
>>
>> In the UK chapter, you only need to sign up for the list and say that you
>> want to be involved (or even better offer to do something) and we consider
>> you a member. If we were to register as a small charity that might change
>> very slightly. I trust that t will be similar with the European chapter.
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:54:52 +0000
>> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> To: Maria Antonia Brovelli <maria.brovelli at polimi.it>,
>> "dirk.frigne at geosparc.com" <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>,
>> "board at lists.osgeo.org" <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
>> European Chapter
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>> All local chapters have the same relationship with OSGeo.
>>
>> A key reason to found a local chapter is to interact and advocate for open
>> source on a regional city, state or national or union level - something
>> the
>> global osgeo organization is not in the best position to do.
>>
>> I do not think it is useful (or any of our business) to ask about members
>> being automatically in a group. We are a volunteer organization and
>> members
>> volunteer where their hearts lie.
>>
>> For example there is a British Columbia local chapter - if we form a
>> Canadian chapter in Boston I may choose to volunteer there also.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:59 AM Maria Antonia Brovelli <
>> maria.brovelli at polimi.it> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Dirk. In order to prepare for the Board discussion, in my
>> opinion it is good to know what the European Local chapters think about
>> that and how they want   the relationships between their local Chapter and
>> the European one to be.
>>
>> Just a simple example: is a member of a local chapter also a charter
>> member of Eu Chapter? Or we will have a complex structure where local
>> chapter members can be not Eu charter members but charter members of OSGeo
>> as a whole?
>>
>> In my opinion we have to discuss those details, in order not to create
>> confusion for the future. I imagine that sooner or later also America and
>> Asia will do the same. We have to define guidelines enough flexible but
>> also enough clear for everybody.
>>
>> In this discussion the people of the local chapters can help. Thanks if
>> they want to contribute.
>>
>> Happy Sunday!
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Pay attention to this Special Issue and see if it is of interest by you:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/Geospatial_Big_Data_Urban_Studies
>>
>>
>>
>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>> *Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli*
>> Professor of GIS and Remote Sensing
>> Politecnico di Milano
>>
>> ISPRS WG IV/4 "Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping (C3M)"
>> http://www2.isprs.org/commissions/comm4/wg4.html, Board of Directors
>> of OSGeo; GeoForAll Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa Challenge;
>> SIFET Advisory Board
>>
>>
>> UN-GGIM Academic Network Deputy Chair, UN-GGIM Italy, UN OpenGIS
>> Initiative (Chair of the Capacity Building WG)
>>
>>
>> *Sol Katz Award 2015*
>>
>>
>>
>> P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)
>>
>> Tel. +39-02-23996242 - Mob. +39-328-0023867,   <maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>> maria.brovelli at polimi.it
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *Da:* Board <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Suchith Anand <
>> Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
>> *Inviato:* domenica 23 luglio 2017 08:47
>> *A:* yjacolin; dirk.frigne at geosparc.com; board at lists.osgeo.org
>> *Oggetto:* Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
>> European Chapter
>>
>> Thank you Dirk and all who are working on this excellent initiative. OSGeo
>> Europe chapter will be great help for GeoForAll's aims to expand INSPIRE
>> training programs,  European curriculum development activities and
>> capacity
>> building for administrations moving to open source geo.
>>
>> I really hope this initiative get strong support and help from OSGeo Board
>> and start working soon.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Suchith
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Board <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of yjacolin <
>> yjacolin at free.fr>
>> Sent: 22 July 2017 11:10 AM
>> To: dirk.frigne at geosparc.com; board at lists.osgeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
>> European        Chapter
>>
>> I was not at the bof unfortunately but following the discussion between
>> osgeo-fr, osgeo-be and osfeo-nl last day I am in favour of such local
>> chapter to improve collaboration between local chapter.
>>
>> So this is my +1.
>>
>> Y.
>>
>>
>>
>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>>
>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>> De : Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>
>> Date : 21/07/2017 16:43 (GMT+01:00)
>> À : board at lists.osgeo.org
>> Objet : [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a European
>> Chapter
>>
>> Following the BOF of 19 July 2017, we decided to resend our officially
>> express of interest to form a European Local Chapter.
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Official expression of interest forming a European Chapter
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:33:24 +0200
>> From: Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>
>> Reply-To: dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
>> Organization: Geosparc
>> To: board at lists.osgeo.org <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>
>> Dear OSGeo Board,
>>
>> Reason for my mail is to officially express our interest to form a
>> European local chapter of OSGeo.
>>
>> 1. self-organise
>>
>> Since the conference in Bremen in 2013, thoughts and ideas where
>> exchanged to organise OSGeo more on a European basis. The Industry group
>> was started, a platform of people supporting the idea arose, but there
>> was no real initiative for action.
>>
>> This year we (OSGeoEU in formation[1) have the ambition to organise a
>> legal entity OSGEO-EU to create a stronger software group in Europe to
>> defend the rights of open source from the perspective of the
>> Geo-ecosystem. We want to announce this chapter on the FOSS4G 2016
>> conference [2].
>>
>> In preparation for this official expression of interest, a couple of
>> meetings have already taken place. A physical BOF @FOSS4G 2014 in
>> Bremen, several mails and discussions, a BOF @FOSS4G 2015 in Como and
>> physical meetings (last one at the GWF 2016 conference).
>> An extract of the meeting report of this last meeting, written by Till
>> Adams and send to all the local chapter representatives of Europe:
>>
>> "Marc Vloemans, Gert-Jan van der Wejden (both from local dutch chapter),
>> Dirk Frigne (from local chapter Belgium and OSGeo board member) and
>> me-myself-and-I, Till Adams (from german speaking local chapter FOSSGIS
>> e.V.) met end of May after Geospatial World Forum in Rotterdam. We
>> discussed about the potential and the need to have an European local
>> OSGeo chapter, which is not "above" the local chapters and which does
>> not overtake tasks, that are already well covered by OSGeo.org, but that
>> overtakes different, special European-related tasks and challenges, that
>> aren't already covered by local chapters or by OSGeo.org itself. "
>>
>>
>> In the past there where already some OSGeo EU activities, organised as
>> European FOSS4G conferences, and further specific activities are planned
>> (f.i. the Topic talk at the FOSS4G 2016 conference: "become INSPIRE'd by
>> OSGeo" about the opportunities the INSPIRE directive can bring to OSGeo
>> members and the organisation of community effort around specific EU
>> needs.)
>>
>> Please find our ideas and plans in the OSGeo WIKI [1].
>>
>>
>> 2. mission objectives
>>
>> After discussion amongst the active local chapter members we come to the
>> following list of mission objectives:
>>
>>    * Community-building and networking around specific European themes
>>
>>    * support the European OSGeo members using FOSS4G software, help
>> them to organise and bring into contact with governmental agencies and
>> research institutes. Help them with European funded projects.
>>
>>    * encourage interoperability in European projects
>>
>>    * support European open standards and European directives such as
>> INSPIRE
>>
>>    * provide support for the use of OSGeo software in education via
>> European curriculum development, outreach, and capacity building
>>
>>    * to encourage communication between the different European local
>> chapters
>>
>>    * to encourage different communities to work together where relevant
>>
>>    * Organisation of events
>>
>>    * Networking with other typically European organisations and groups
>> (notably OSM, JRC, European projects, FIWARE, EUROGI, SMESpire, ... )
>>
>> 4. List of initial members:
>>
>> The European OSGeo Chapter has the support of the following initial
>> founding members (alphabetic - first name):
>>
>>    Dirk Frigne - Vice president
>>    Vasile Crăciunescu - board member
>>    Jáchym Čepický - Secretary of OSGeo
>>    Stephan Meißl - charter member
>>    Till Adams - charter member
>>    Marc Vloemans - Charter member
>>    Markus Neteler - Charter member
>>    Jorge Gustavo Rocha - Charter member
>>
>> 5. May I kindly ask the OSGeo Board to consider passing a motion forming
>> the European chapter, and designating Dirk Frigne as the liason officer.
>>
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Europe
>> [2] http://2016.foss4g.org
>>
>> --
>> Yours sincerely,
>>
>>
>> ir. Dirk Frigne
>> CEO @geosparc
>>
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