[Board] OGC update

Sat Aug 24 05:53:29 PDT 2019

Hi Scott: we are planning to discuss OGC relationship tomorrow
(Sunday).  Are you in Bucharest?
If not, do you have any availability tomorrow to dial in (on Bucharest time)?

Once we have a better idea of your availability we'll setup a web conf.

..Tom

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:04 AM Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org> wrote:
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> Jody,
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> I will see if we can support on Sunday either in person or remotely. Will you have a web conference setup for the meeting?
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> Thanks,
> Scott
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> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
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> If anyone is willing to speak on behalf of OGC we can add this topic/discuss to the F2F meeting agenda: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-08-24
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> Indeed we can work on this even without an OGC representative, I will add the topic for Sunday. Still the invitation is open if the OGC wishes to attend or set up a meeting later during the week.
> --
> Jody Garnett
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> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 09:14, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>  Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for your leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in Bucharest?
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi Jody,
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>> (@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal below.)
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>>
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>> In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on the OSGeo / OGC relationship:
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>> I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.
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>> In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.
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>> We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership renewal time.
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>> We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let Tom speak to this work.
>>
>> =====
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>> I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo Standards list.  We need to geet a much better understanding of what our community and OGC would like from our relationship.
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>> I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source solutions to lead the way for many standards.
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>> The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to:
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>> - include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be more effective in our standards collaboration;
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>> - find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce funds to do so; and
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>> - address other issues that may become apparent after the requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a CITE Community.
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>> I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.
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>> However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:
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>> - you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the process when we’re ready to start;
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>> - you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if required;
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>> - you are happy for me to lead the effort; and
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>> - for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the reboot effort to work within.
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>> Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.
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>>
>> Kind regards,
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>> Bruce
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>>
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>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE.
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>> Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward OSGeo participation. More to come.
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>> ..Tom
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation process several years ago.
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>> I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf of OGC.
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>> They then took CITE to another open source incubator.
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>> By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be beneficial for all.
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>> Bruce
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>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org> wrote:
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>> All,
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>> Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team?  Or is it more than that?
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>> bobb
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>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?
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>>> There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice if CITE Team engine could attend.
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>>> Enjoy the outback!
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
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>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hi Tom, Jody,
>>>>
>>>> I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited Internet access.
>>>>
>>>> Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community building. I’ve just started this process.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
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>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> I have updated the OGC partnership page:
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>>>> - Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?
>>>> - Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo contact point, is this something we can change?
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <tom.kralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our
>>>>> partnership with OGC came
>>>>> up in a few areas:
>>>>>
>>>>> - invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint
>>>>> - provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the Board?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> ..Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-03-25
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