<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Yes, we'd tell them first certainly. </div><div><br></div><div>At this point, it's just a discussion (in which I wish the Beijing LOC would participate!)...<span class="Apple-style-span" style> </span></div>
<div><br>.<span class="Apple-style-span" style>mpg</span></div><div><br>On May 2, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div>
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Michael,<br>
I suggest that if the board do decide on a major change of support
of FOSS4G Beijing (such as pulling events), that Beijing be notified
in advance of the public announcement. I think this is a matter of
courtesy, and will give Beijing some lead time to decide their
follow on strategy. (While we do wish to inform the OSGeo community
of the situation as our highest priority, as a secondary priority we
still do wish to continue to give FOSS4G Beijing every opportunity
to be as successful as it can be.)<br>
<br>
Aside: I'm not weighing in on whether events should or should not be
pulled.<br>
<br>
On 3/05/2012 9:36 AM, nicolas bozon wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:CA+FFBY_s_u_i4BFmbOxXQ87BCWmwHK59AKixFr_hCh1wgtBKHQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Hello,<br>
<br>
You are right Michael<br>
I was just suggesting that the Board and Community would try to
bring global FOSS4G up to its usual level of excellence. WIth our
without the Beijing team. There are means, but nobody's want to
take them i think.<br>
About Jeff, no worry, i was just thinking that if his proposal and
help for FOSS4G 2012 was "accepted", then there would be may be
less troubles, that's only it. May be i am wrong, may be he knew
the LOC there too. <br>
Any way, let's try our best for Beijing ! i hope<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/3 Michael P. Gerlek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpg@flaxen.com" target="_blank">mpg@flaxen.com</a>></span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Nick:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s
hard, yes, but what else would you suggest we do? The
board has no leverage to get the Beijing team to
perform better; we have tried repeatedly to engage
them without success, and we have no legal contract
with them either.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anyway,
everyone should be aware that I’m NOT suggesting that
the global FOSS4G be cancelled permanently: we have
two very strong proposals for 2013, backed by
well-known members of the community. It’s only 2012
that I’m expressing my opinions about. (And they’re
just my opinions of course; I don’t speak for the
board as a whole!)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">((
Also: that Jeff is not participating has nothing to do
with this, and I wish people would stop bringing it
up. Beijing’s problems are what they are, and Jeff
belatedly declined to assist in the 2012 effort for
his own personal reasons. Que sera; no one of us is
indispensable. ))</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">-mpg</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
nicolas bozon [mailto:<a href="mailto:nicolas.bozon@gmail.com" target="_blank">nicolas.bozon@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mpg@flaxen.com" target="_blank">mpg@flaxen.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Seven (aka Arnulf); <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss]
Fwd: Foss4g 2012 ???</div>
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Hi all,<br>
<br>
Mpg, whooa, you're the first one to publicly say
that FOSS4G 2012 will be a regional event finally.<br>
So what is happening to OSGeo this year ? No
FOSS4G ? No Conference "Man" ? No ambassadors
right ?<br>
That's pretty hard. I mean i' don't see this year
without any global FOSS4G, without any AGM,
without any shootout (either WMS, WFS or WPS), and
without our annual global gathering.<br>
I know the Chinese team is late or may be did not
do the job OSGeo is waiting from a LOC. But what ?
<br>
Shoud'nt people, community, or the highest
instances of OSGeo react to this ?<br>
What is the Foundation going to do ? Just to
annouce that we have no FOSS4G this year ?<br>
Or just that community that is not attending
FOSS4G-NA, FOSS4G-CEE or FOSS4G-CN just won't have
any FOSS4G this year ?<br>
That'd be the first year without any global event,
at least for me, and at least without Jeff too...<br>
I really think that if FOSS4G is going to become a
regional event, then we MUST have Ambassadors and
much stronger local chapters.<br>
<br>
My 2 cents<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2012/5/2 Michael P. Gerlek
<<a href="mailto:mpg@flaxen.com" target="_blank">mpg@flaxen.com</a>></p>
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I'm going to be the pessimist/extremist this
time around:<br>
<br>
The Beijing team has had plenty of time to get
things going, but they have not succeeded. We
reached out to them several times in several
ways, but with no success.<br>
<br>
Therefore, we (the board) should be honest with
our community and officially remove the "annual
FOSS4G meeting" designation from this event.
That is within our authority and responsibility.<br>
<br>
It won't be the right venue for the Sol Katz,
the AGM, or the Shootout, because we won't have
some of the key players there -- the distance to
travel was a big enough burden to start with,
but the lack of progress by the LOC has probably
killed off any remaining chance of getting good
international attendance. I don't think the AGM,
Sol Katz, or Shootout should be held in Beijing,
as the expected size, audience makeup, and
organizational aspects there won't be
significant enough.<br>
<br>
The Beijing team is welcome to continue to hold
an event, of course, but it will be "just" a
regional event (e.g. like the North American one
we had last month).<br>
<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<span>-mpg</span></span></p>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>
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On Behalf Of Seven (aka Arnulf)<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:18 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd:
[OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Foss4g 2012 ???<br>
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> On 02.05.2012 18:58, nicolas bozon
wrote:<br>
> > Hi all,<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree Peter,<br>
> ><br>
> > However, OSGeo and Board should
probably focuss on Beijing that<br>
> > will happen, before advertizing
Nottingham or Helsinki. I mean, is<br>
> > there a way that board and
community should try to 'save' that next<br>
> > foss4g ? At least to get a real
website, some calls for<br>
> > papers/sponsors and may be a few
attendees from EU or US, not only<br>
> > people from China or Asia; it
should be possible, even in 4/5<br>
> > months ? am i wrong or desparate ?<br>
><br>
> Thanks for chiming in, Nick.<br>
><br>
> Yes, you are desperate - as we are. We
have been trying to get a<br>
> website work over the past three months
- to no avail. There will<br>
> still be some EU and US folks but not
comparable to what we got used<br>
> to with prior FOSS4G. It will not be
comparable to the previous<br>
> version of the global event - simply
because we are running out of<br>
> time. Our message is intended to make
this clear to potential sponsors<br>
> and to individuals and organizations
who expect FOSS4G in Beijing to<br>
> be "the" event. From all that I can
tell it is not even sure whether<br>
> we will be able to have a majority of
the board of directors there and<br>
> the AGM - if it takes place - will
likely not represent a global<br>
> representation either. Not sure whether
we will have a WMS shootout,<br>
> whether there will be workshops, or who
of the globally recognized<br>
> bigshot devs will be there - and all of
these things need to be<br>
> addressed in the coming weeks.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Arnulf<br>
><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Nick<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > 2012/5/2 Peter Batty <<a href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com" target="_blank">peter@ebatty.com</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:peter@ebatty.com" target="_blank">peter@ebatty.com</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > Also, while we don't want it to be
too long, we should maybe say<br>
> > something along the lines of ...<br>
> ><br>
> > While we continue to review and
evolve our conference strategy,<br>
> > and anticipate multiple regional
conferences in 2013, we do plan to<br>
> > hold the primary global FOSS4G
conference in Europe in 2013. We<br>
> > have a selection process under way
and the two candidates remaining<br>
> > are Helsinki and Nottingham.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:31 AM,
Jo Cook<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:jocook@astuntechnology.com" target="_blank">jocook@astuntechnology.com</a>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:jocook@astuntechnology.com" target="_blank">jocook@astuntechnology.com</a>>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Arnulf,<br>
> ><br>
> > In general I think this is fine. I
think, for the sake of the<br>
> > conspiracy-theorists amongst our
membership that we should maybe<br>
> > reiterate the point about the main
FOSS4G, with the Sol Katz, AGM,<br>
> > Directors F2F etc. This currently
reads as if the Chinese event is<br>
> > on the same level as the NA and
CEE events, and regardless of the<br>
> > issues at this stage it's still
the main event. It's also quite<br>
> > circumspect as well- maybe we
should be a little more enthusiastic<br>
> > about it?<br>
> ><br>
> > I've added another paragraph
in-line which is my attempt at<br>
> > addressing this (feel free to
change)<br>
> ><br>
> > Jo<br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:21 PM,
Seven (aka Arnulf) <<a href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us" target="_blank">seven@arnulf.us</a><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:seven@arnulf.us" target="_blank">seven@arnulf.us</a>>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Board, in order to address the
growing number of requests (see<br>
> > another one below) I suggest that
we officially communicate that<br>
> > FOSS4G in China is going to happen
- but under somewhat different<br>
> > circumstances than the previous
FOSS4G conferences might have us<br>
> > expect.<br>
> ><br>
> > As an addendum I suggest to add
that: This year saw quite a<br>
> > significant change in the policy
around FOSS4G. It is the first<br>
> > time that we are having three
major FOSS4G conferences in one year.<br>
> > One has already happened in North
America (Washington DC, USA),<br>
> > the second Central and Eastern
Europe edition will take place in<br>
> > May in Prague in the Czech Repulic
and the third one will take<br>
> > place in China, Beijing. In
addition there is a growing number of<br>
> > local conferences, sometimes also
under the name FOSS4G. OSGeo is<br>
> > new to this and we are still
collecting experiences as to the<br>
> > effects that this diversity has on
the originally one and only<br>
> > global FOSS4G.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Having said that, FOSS4G in
Beijing is still our main FOSS4G<br>
> >> event, and we will be holding
the Sol Katz award, OSGeo AGM and<br>
> >> Board of Directors meeting
there. We fully support the event and<br>
> >> the efforts being put in by
the Beijing team and hope to see as<br>
> >> many of you there as possible.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The conference organizers in
Beijing have experienced serious<br>
> > delays in the schedule due to
local circumstances which OSGeo<br>
> > cannot influence. It is therefore
at this point in time not clear<br>
> > how many international sponsors or
participants will be in<br>
> > Beijing. If you are interested in
becoming a sponsor we suggest to<br>
> > directly contact the Beijing
organizing team through the FOSS4G<br>
> > 2012 mailing list. If you are
interested in submitting an abstract<br>
> > for a presentation or a workshop
please be prepared to have a short<br>
> > submission period which will be
announced on all channels once<br>
> > available.<br>
> ><br>
> > EOF<br>
> ><br>
> > Please help me edit this message.
It should not be too long so<br>
> > that people actually take the time
to read it. We must send<br>
> > something along these lines now
because sponsors are delaying their<br>
> > support for other potential events
which would make more sense to<br>
> > them. And in general we do not
make a good impression with FOSS4G<br>
> > in China right now, so stepping
back a bit and explaining why is<br>
> > required. On the other hand we
also want to be as positive as<br>
> > possible towards the our Chinese
hosts. If you have any better<br>
> > ideas I am all open for a
completely new message but we cannot<br>
> > delay this any more.<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers, Arnulf<br>
> ><br>
> > -------- Original Message --------
Subject: [OSGeo-Discuss]<br>
> > Fwd: Foss4g 2012 ??? Date: Tue,
1 May 2012 13:47:41 +0200 From:<br>
> > Massimiliano Cannata <<a href="mailto:massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch" target="_blank">massimiliano.cannata@supsi.ch</a><br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hi all, I didn't see any news
since a long time. On the website no<br>
> > deadlines or communications...
Usually things was already moved...<br>
> > What's up? What's going on?<br>
> ><br>
> > I would expect soon communication
from the board as this the<br>
> > 'official' OSGeo event...<br>
> ><br>
> > Looking forward for a successful
2012 event.<br>
> ><br>
> > Maxi<br>
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