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To help bring this thread to conclusion, such that Jeff can book
flights to foss4g, I'll add my vote which is +1 to cover travel plus
expenses (based on Jeff's estimates), in line with the other
supporting comments to that regard.<br>
<br>
My other comments, which seem to be of less interest in the thread
is the importance of providing accountability for when we spend
money. Answering what do we expect to gain when we spend the money.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/07/2014 11:29 pm, Daniel Kastl
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<div dir="ltr">What if you try to avoid to let a single person
travel around the world until he resigns because he run out of
money or just got burned out? ;-)
<div>It may be fun (for a while), but it is also a lot of work.</div>
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<div>Open source software development is done by a community and
not a single person/company. That's why we are strong. So
isn't better to let the nearby OSGeo "advocates" speak and
OSGeo could offer to pay (if requested) for the travel
expenses from a yearly budget. This would lower the costs and
share the work.</div>
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<div>And if a conference wants to have the president speaking,
then they must cover the travel expenses.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Smith,
Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH <span dir="ltr"><<a
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree, a
very strong +1. I would also say that something like a<br>
membership fee could help support travel activities for
designated OSGeo<br>
Board members. While we are a volunteer organization, I do
not believe<br>
that OSGeo officers should have to fund OSGeo
required/desired travel.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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On 7/16/14, 8:12 AM, "Daniel Morissette" <<a
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wrote:<br>
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>Strong +1 on everything Arnulf wrote here.<br>
><br>
>Daniel<br>
><br>
><br>
>On 14-07-16 4:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:<br>
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>> Even,<br>
>> this is well summarized, thanks.<br>
>><br>
>> (...if you missed the thread go check the board
list)<br>
>><br>
>> Further to this I mut say that the president
should get all the<br>
>> support from OSGeo to travel to events - very
obviously also including<br>
>> FOSS4G. I never asked directly because I felt
awkward. Stupid but<br>
>> honest. Towards the end of my presidency I did
ask and also got some<br>
>> travel support because otherwise I would not
have been able to sustain<br>
>> it. I have it all in plain numbers before me
now because my accountant<br>
>> made a point of tagging everything I did for
OSGeo or for business. In<br>
>> 2011 I spent more than 35k US$ for travel - all
out of my own pocket<br>
>> except for 10% out of OSGeo budget. This is in
low cost<br>
>> accommodations, just to put numbers into
relation. Traveling at a<br>
>> higher standard would have pushed my travel
budget to 70$ or 100k<br>
>>easily.<br>
>><br>
>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my
presidency. It is one<br>
>> of the reasons why I think that the term should
be limited. Oher than<br>
>> Jeff I think that one year president elect
followed by one year full<br>
>> president is enough. There is nothing worse
than burning out your<br>
>> presidents and discarding them when they are
done. Not good.<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, being president connected me with many
"important" people and<br>
>> yes, I expected to get great job offers. This
did not happen. People<br>
>> expect that you get paid if you meet them at
conferences in the role<br>
>> of OSGeo president. They all get paid to get
there themselves. They<br>
>> cannot even imagine that you would go there on
your own, private cost.<br>
>> It is usually only the odd single consultant
who has to pay "on their<br>
>> own". Everybody else gets sent by their
company. Strangely all OSGeo's<br>
>> last presidents at one point were odd single
consultants and had to<br>
>> pay for conferences, cater for their own travel
and accommodation. So<br>
>> if you like these folks to reperesent you then
make sure they can<br>
>> afford it.<br>
>><br>
>> Ha, this developed a bit into a rant, please
excuse.<br>
>><br>
>> But please give our president and the board and
all the OSGeo officers<br>
>> all the support they need. Rest assure that
they deserve it and also<br>
>> rest assured that they will not misuse any
funding they get. I<br>
>> personally vouch for each single one of the
folks on the board right<br>
>> now and before. Hard working nice people who
just have this extra edge<br>
>> to drive OSGeo forward.<br>
>><br>
>> And if you don't like how anybody in these
roles acts then nominate<br>
>> and vote differently next time. It is very
straight forward, really.<br>
>> Stand up yourself and do things, after all we
declared it a do-ocracy<br>
>> not a complai-no-crazy.<br>
>><br>
>> Have fun,<br>
>> Arnulf<br>
>><br>
>> PS:<br>
>> I am currently offline on holidays and only
chimed in by pure chance<br>
>> so please do not expect anything else from me
until beginning of August.<br>
>><br>
>> /me waves...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 07/15/2014 10:02 AM, Even Rouault wrote:<br>
>>> Cameron,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I agree in principle with the
accountability, but I don't think we<br>
>>> should make Jeff's life harder than it
needs to be. In the end, the<br>
>>> board is elected and if people are not
happy with how the budget is<br>
>>> spent, they will say it with their votes.
Let trust people, and<br>
>>> especially when their past accomplishments
speak for them. And for<br>
>>> having been in Notthingham last year, I can
remember having seen<br>
>>> Jeff many times on the OSGeo booth.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best regards,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Even<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Hi Jeff, I acknowledge that you do a
lot on behalf of OSGeo, and<br>
>>>> would hasten to add other things that
you do, such as traveling<br>
>>>> to and presenting at various
conferences about OSGeo. (There are<br>
>>>> also many others amongst the OSGeo
membership who do much, often<br>
>>>> with very little public recognition).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Following are a few points for my
opinion:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> What OSGeo is very good at is being
efficient in how we spend<br>
>>>> our limited budget by drawing upon our
talented membership (see<br>
>>>> Board priorities [1]).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There are specific tasks which the
board should be addressing,<br>
>>>> and funding if required. One of these
I think is important is<br>
>>>> the setting up and manning of an OSGeo
booth at the annual FOSS4G<br>
>>>> conference. It is an excellent way to
meet face to face with the<br>
>>>> greater community. This task can be
done by anyone from the<br>
>>>> community, but it does help to have
people with deep OSGeo<br>
>>>> experience, such as a board member or
president.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Personally, I don't see what the big
issue is regarding setting<br>
>>>> up a booth. I've done it a number of
times. I really enjoy being<br>
>>>> at the OSGeo booth because it attracts
lots of really interesting<br>
>>>> people who would love to know more
about OSGeo. All that is<br>
>>>> required is for someone to bring an
OSGeo banner, and have a<br>
>>>> laptop showing OSGeo-Live on it. (Some
people do more, but that<br>
>>>> covers the essentials).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The board should be accountable to our
members for all budget<br>
>>>> spent. If we pay for someone's travel
budget to a conference,<br>
>>>> what does OSGeo gain from that
sponsorship beyond what is already<br>
>>>> provided by existing attendees? It is
an easy question to answer<br>
>>>> if the money is going toward manning a
booth, where we evangelise<br>
>>>> OSGeo.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So anyway, it is possible we have a
misunderstanding over how<br>
>>>> much effort is required to be involved
in an OSGeo booth, and<br>
>>>> hope that you can re-consider.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> [1]<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#OSGeo_as_a_low_capital.2C_"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#OSGeo_as_a_low_capital.2C_</a><br>
>>>volunteer_focused_organisation<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>> On 14/07/2014 9:30 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:<br>
>>>>> Hi Cameron,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I would agree that it is very
important to have a face of<br>
>>>>> OSGeo representing the foundation
at the main FOSS4G event.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> As I grow into this role (I've only
been President for about<br>
>>>>> 1.5 years now) I realize the
demands of the position, and how<br>
>>>>> important it is to build and
maintain relationships (especially<br>
>>>>> with other foundations and groups
in our 'ecosystem'). There<br>
>>>>> is a lot to the position, and a lot
that no one sees (I am<br>
>>>>> brought into discussions as OSGeo
president almost every day it<br>
>>>>> seems).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> With that said, adding to my
responsibilities, with already so<br>
>>>>> much on my plate, is not possible.
Plus you can search the<br>
>>>>> OSGeo Marketing mailing list for
questions from me about this<br>
>>>>> time last year for booth materials
for Nottingham (unanswered,<br>
>>>>> materials non-existent). The
reality is that it always comes<br>
>>>>> down to boots-on-the-ground for
making the booth happen<br>
>>>>> (massive thanks to Ian Edwards last
year in Nottingham, as an<br>
>>>>> example). As president I will be
already pulled into so many<br>
>>>>> things in Portland.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> As an example, the LOC is already
on me about the AGM...and I<br>
>>>>> must soon start the Sol Katz
process...likely help Jorge with<br>
>>>>> elections.... get my drift?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Also, unfortunately again charter
members send me private<br>
>>>>> messages saying great things that I
want the whole community to<br>
>>>>> hear - but in the end it is me
bringing it public again. So,<br>
>>>>> here it is again: I got several
responses privately to this<br>
>>>>> 'attendance' message that it is
terrible that i must ask for<br>
>>>>> funding as president, that there
should be a separate president<br>
>>>>> travel budget and i shouldn't have
to justify publicly<br>
>>>>> travel..that this message is noise
and we should be talking of<br>
>>>>> more important things etc etc...all
true, but i wish they would<br>
>>>>> bring this public and not me have
to say it. well here again i<br>
>>>>> am.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> So to answer your questions
directly Cameron: I am more than<br>
>>>>> ready to represent OSGeo in the
Portland event. I feel it is<br>
>>>>> very important to have this
constant and stable face of OSGeo<br>
>>>>> at events. As for increasing my
role, that is really<br>
>>>>> physically impossible; I will do my
best, but I would ask that<br>
>>>>> we rely on a local chapter for
gathering booth materials etc.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Your President,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -jeff<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 2014-07-13, 4:26 AM, Cameron
Shorter wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Hi Jeff and others, I think
that it is important for an<br>
>>>>>> official OSGeo representative
to be at the FOSS4G conference<br>
>>>>>> to facilitate evangelising
OSGeo, and OSGeo (or FOSS4G)<br>
>>>>>> should cover expenses of this
person. Ideally, this person<br>
>>>>>> should be the OSGeo President,
but could be someone else if<br>
>>>>>> the president is not available.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I would envisage the
representative would play quite a public<br>
>>>>>> role, likely talking with many
people at an OSGeo booth. This<br>
>>>>>> would typically involve the
representative also playing a<br>
>>>>>> lead role in ensuring the OSGeo
booth is set up and running<br>
>>>>>> smoothly.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Jeff, would you be ok with
taking on this type of role? Could<br>
>>>>>> you please expand on how you
would envisage this working.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 11/07/2014 3:34 am, Jeff
McKenna wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Hi Board,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> We're about 2 months away
from FOSS4G-Portland, and I just<br>
>>>>>>> want to be open that no one
has contacted me to represent<br>
>>>>>>> OSGeo at that event. Other
(regional) events give me lots<br>
>>>>>>> of notice, handle flights,
hotels, meals, for the OSGeo<br>
>>>>>>> President to attend;
however I learned last year that for<br>
>>>>>>> the main FOSS4G event it is
just assumed that I will be<br>
>>>>>>> there in person. Well to
avoid that last minute chaos<br>
>>>>>>> again, I am here asking the
Board for use of the "Strategic<br>
>>>>>>> travel" funding (as listed
in the budget<br>
>>>>>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2014"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Budget_2014</a>)
to cover my<br>
>>>>>>> flights, hotel, and misc
expenses (transfers) for FOSS4G<br>
>>>>>>> Portland.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Last year there was a
debate as to whether this should be<br>
>>>>>>> funded by the FOSS4G
committee or in fact by the OSGeo<br>
>>>>>>> Board, and it was decided
it made most sense for the OSGeo<br>
>>>>>>> Board to cover it.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> -jeff<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>
_______________________________________________ Board
mailing<br>
>>>>> list <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>>>><br>
>>>> -- Cameron Shorter, Software and Data
Solutions Manager LISAsoft<br>
>>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf, 26 - 32
Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> P <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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value="+61290095000">+61 2 9009 5000</a>, W <a
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>>>>
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Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
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