<p dir="ltr">Cameron,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Maybe I'm getting old, but I would be quite ok with this version.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thank you for digging into this. I should bring it to next meeting</p>
<p dir="ltr">J</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 9, 2015, 14:58 Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">OSGeo Board,<br>
Re the "Diversity" item on the agenda for the next meeting, I thought I<br>
should give an update.<br>
<br>
As below, it seems that the most recent CoC from Apache looks to be an<br>
improvement on the many before it. (It includes a CoC and Diversity<br>
statement), and I suggest that an OSGeo CoC/Diversity Statement is based<br>
upon the Apache one.<br>
<br>
I've taken a first draft at such a document here:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct</a><br>
<br>
It could do with a review.<br>
<br>
Note, I've also listed a number of other CoC/Diversity statements in<br>
this wiki, along with pros and cons for each (the page is now getting a<br>
bit big).<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Cameron<br>
<br>
On 3/04/2015 10:06 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:<br>
> I've been reading a lot of CoC statements over the last few days, and<br>
> can see how there has been a continual refinement with each new<br>
> version over time.<br>
><br>
> 2010: Geek Feminism Anti Harassment Policy,<br>
> <a href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy" target="_blank">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy</a><br>
><br>
> 2012: JSConf Code of Conduct, <a href="http://jsconf.com/codeofconduct.html" target="_blank">http://jsconf.com/codeofconduct.html</a><br>
><br>
> 2012: O'Reilly Code of Conduct,<br>
> <a href="http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html" target="_blank">http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html</a><br>
><br>
> April 2014: Debian Code of Conduct,<br>
> <a href="https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct" target="_blank">https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct</a><br>
><br>
> Dec 2014: Apache CoC,<br>
> <a href="https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html" target="_blank">https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html</a><br>
><br>
> I like the Apache CoC, which is well written, and refines and extends<br>
> the best of prior CoCs.<br>
><br>
> My thoughts are now moving toward adopting a CoC based on this Apache<br>
> CoC.<br>
><br>
> On 3/04/2015 5:38 pm, Eli Adam wrote:<br>
>>> With so many variants on the CoC/Diversity Statement, it would be<br>
>>> great if a<br>
>>> international standard could be created, such as done for Open Source<br>
>>> Licenses.<br>
>> I think that there are a few CoC consolidation efforts like that<br>
>> currently, here is one [4] and another [5] that reference the first.<br>
>> I can't find all the links right now but recall them from the past.<br>
>> There was some OSM work to make one specific to mailing lists [6].<br>
>> Here are a handful of additional CoCs too [7], [8], [9], [10].<br>
>><br>
>> CoC is inherently different than licenses. Licenses have<br>
>> compatibility issues and there are strong forces which promote<br>
>> well-known compatible licenses. Various companies have lawyers review<br>
>> licenses for compatibility too. There is no concept of compatibility<br>
>> in CoC, nor are diverse legal resources dedicated to it. So CoC is a<br>
>> realm (unlike licenses) where everyone can have their just slightly<br>
>> different CoC without causing incompatibility. Despite the<br>
>> variability, all strive to promote a safe, productive, functioning<br>
>> community for all.<br>
>><br>
>> Eli<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> [4] <a href="http://citizencodeofconduct.org/" target="_blank">http://citizencodeofconduct.org/</a><br>
>> [5] <a href="http://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html" target="_blank">http://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html</a><br>
>> [6]<br>
>> <a href="https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md</a><br>
>> [7] <a href="https://github.com/codeforamerica/codeofconduct" target="_blank">https://github.com/codeforamerica/codeofconduct</a><br>
>> [8] <a href="https://github.com/twitter/code-of-conduct" target="_blank">https://github.com/twitter/code-of-conduct</a><br>
>> [9] <a href="https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct" target="_blank">https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct</a><br>
>> [10] <a href="https://github.com/selenamarie/conference_policies" target="_blank">https://github.com/selenamarie/conference_policies</a> (list of<br>
>> others, mostly ~2012)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> [1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct</a><br>
>>> [2] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Debian_Code_of_Conduct" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Debian_Code_of_Conduct</a><br>
>>> [3]<br>
>>> <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Geek_Feminism_Template_Anti_Harassment_Policy" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Geek_Feminism_Template_Anti_Harassment_Policy</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 31/03/2015 5:40 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yes, I agree. Diversity also refers to language. We have to start<br>
>>> reason on<br>
>>> that as a richness and not as a barrier. I like to have this item in<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> CoC.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Maria<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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>>> A: Andrea Aime; Cameron Shorter<br>
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>>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding<br>
>>> slang. Was:<br>
>>> Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> My experience within OSGeo was positive so far. At FOSS4G, sometimes<br>
>>> people<br>
>>> forget, that half of the crowd speaks English only occasionally,<br>
>>> which can<br>
>>> lead to misunderstandings.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Anyway: I would like to point out, that it is not only matter of<br>
>>> writing,<br>
>>> but also talking (at foss4gs, sprints, ...) In public but also in<br>
>>> private,<br>
>>> what can be even harder than writing (you can not take your time to<br>
>>> figure<br>
>>> out the best way how to express, what you need).<br>
>>><br>
>>> And yes, having something like that in CoC would be nice.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> J<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 22:00 Andrea Aime <<a href="mailto:andrea.aime@geo-solutions.it" target="_blank">andrea.aime@geo-solutions.it</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Cameron Shorter<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks all for the feedback.<br>
>>> So my question is:<br>
>>> 1. Should our Code of Conduct/Diversity statement mention that we<br>
>>> have a<br>
>>> multilingual community?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I believe it's still a good idea.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> 2. What should we recommend that all, and especially native speakers<br>
>>> do to<br>
>>> make our community welcoming to non-native speakers?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'd suggest, just a reminder that the level of written English can<br>
>>> vary a<br>
>>> lot, ranging from cases where the lack of fluency is<br>
>>><br>
>>> evident, to cases where the sentence seems just too direct/rude, so<br>
>>> generally speaking, it's a good idea to try and be patient<br>
>>><br>
>>> and understanding.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sometimes I wish there was a guide of typical expectations/orientations<br>
>>> varying culture by culture, to try<br>
>>><br>
>>> and understand better where people are coming from and put what they<br>
>>> say in<br>
>>> context (this example<br>
>>><br>
>>> might be wrong or just a silly generalizations, but just to give<br>
>>> you an<br>
>>> idea, I've heard<br>
>>><br>
>>> Japanese normally won't say no in a conversation, you have to figure<br>
>>> it out,<br>
>>> and other cultures surely<br>
>>><br>
>>> have their "surprising" traits as well).<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers<br>
>>><br>
>>> Andrea<br>
>>><br>
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