<p dir="ltr">Dear all<br>
This discussion to me is not on the right direction. <br>
When the current president was elected taking the Jeff vacancies, we agreed that two other board members from other continents will be selected as vice-president to support locally the work of the president.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Now a new board is in place and fill the Dirk position with another European director.</p>
<p dir="ltr">That's all to me.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Nothing to do with satisfaction, enthusiasm and nothing personal.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Have we ever had a president which was not a director? I don't think but maybe I'm wrong.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Best wishes.</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Il 25 ott 2016 10:21 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dirk, others,<br>
<br>
I'd suggest there might be a 3rd reason for selecting a new president or vice-president. It might just be that a new person happens to be more enthusiastic, have some more time, be more practical, be better known, ... It doesn't always mean a person will be better at the role.<br>
<br>
I suggest that the most successful open source communities work as a bottom-up organisation, rather than top-down. Successful Open Source projects are usually based on the principles of Do-ocracy, Merit-ocracy and rough consensus. Anyone and everyone is encouraged to contribute on their own terms, and any official officer is more a facilitator than a decision maker. We limit ourselves as a community of we over-emphasise the importance of specific roles.<br>
<br>
So yes, we should be mindful of people's feelings, but we should also make the space for anyone to contribute to whatever level they wish, rather than focusing on specific positions of power.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
<br>
On 25/10/2016 8:11 PM, Dirk Frigne wrote:<br>
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Venka,<br>
Jody,<br>
<br>
Thank you for the clarification.<br>
I think no matter what decision the board takes, it is good to take into<br>
account that people 'invest' in their role and continuity gives the<br>
opportunity to get a better result /investment for that role.<br>
<br>
imho their can be 2 reasons for the board to change an officer:<br>
<br>
1. the officer is resigning, and I think we always should accept that.<br>
In that case it is the responsibility of the board to find another<br>
voluntair.<br>
<br>
2. the board is not satisfied with the way the officer is doing his Job<br>
for any reason.<br>
In that case I think the board should discuss this with the officer and<br>
try to find an elegant way to proceed.<br>
<br>
If we respect these rules I think we can help OSGeo grow further in a<br>
good way.<br>
<br>
just my 2c.<br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 25/10/2016 04:03, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:<br>
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Dear Dirk and Board,<br>
<br>
I am sorry for the confusion inadvertently caused due to<br>
insufficient understanding and recollection of the earlier<br>
board decision on my part.<br>
<br>
I was under the impression that the board decision at f2f in Jan 2016<br>
was for having term of present President and Vice President same as<br>
the tenure they will be serving on the board. As per the notes that Jody<br>
has quoted below, my understanding was incorrect and the board needed to<br>
select our President and Vice Presidents at our last meeting held on<br>
20 Oct. 2016.<br>
<br>
The selection needs to be made urgently as there are several matters<br>
to be taken up by our President and Vice-President. I suggest that<br>
we take this up at our next board meeting scheduled for 3 November<br>
2016.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Venka<br>
<br>
P.S. I have also responded to Dirk's mail on related topic privately, as<br>
per his request.<br>
<br>
On 2016/10/25 9:36, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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Dirk I was able to get some answers by digging into notes for<br>
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Face_to_Face_Meeting_2016" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Bo<wbr>ard_Face_to_Face_Meeting_2016</a><br>
<br>
*President and Vice President Election*<br>
<br>
<br>
- *HM nominated VR as president*<br>
- *VR accepted nomination*<br>
- *All in favour*<br>
- *VR elected as OSGeo President*<br>
- *HM and DF nominated as Vice President*<br>
- *All in favour*<br>
- *Term of this President/VP:Until the next board initial meeting<br>
after new board election.*<br>
- *DF(Suggestion): need to change board members 2 yrs term to 3 yrs.<br>
This is a part of strategic plan of OSGeo.(JG)*<br>
<br>
It looks like the term for the President and Vice Presidents has elapsed,<br>
and this meeting on Oct 20th was the intended time to choose new<br>
officers.... and since I was away those present pushed this conversation<br>
off to an email discussion.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
<br>
On 24 October 2016 at 17:33, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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aside: taking this into a seperate thread, since it is a change of topic.<br>
<br>
Looking into this Dirk, sorry I was working and could not attend the<br>
meeting:<br>
<br>
*14:26:06 venka: Agenda 6: Selecting OSGeo Vice-President*<br>
*14:26:55 helena_: it would be good to have somebody with industry<br>
contacts for the second vice-president*<br>
*14:26:56 vcraciunescu: this should also be postponed for a meeting when<br>
all board members will attend*<br>
*14:27:06 kalxas: vcraciunescu, +1*<br>
*14:27:09 maria: +1*<br>
*14:27:11 helena_: yes, I think it would be good to have Jody*<br>
*14:27:16 venka: I suggest we start a thread on loomio and select our new<br>
VP*<br>
<br>
Checking Loomio there is indeed a discussion / motion<br>
<br>
*<a href="https://www.loomio.org/d/jWiY2zLA/vice-president" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.loomio.org/d/jWiY<wbr>2zLA/vice-president</a><br>
<<a href="https://www.loomio.org/d/jWiY2zLA/vice-president" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.loomio.org/d/jWiY<wbr>2zLA/vice-president</a>>*<br>
<br>
So yeah I confess myself confused on this one, we have no requirement for<br>
our officers to be board members - and I feel you are fulfilling your role<br>
very well (and had some activities scheduled as our vice-president that I<br>
would hate to interrupt).<br>
<br>
Let us assume that this was an assumption each vice-president had to be a<br>
board member; rather than any reflection on your capabilities or commitment.<br>
<br>
While our organization does not have a director we tend to lean on the<br>
office of president to pick up activities. Backing Venka up with two<br>
vice-presidents is one way of picking up the strain (since we would like<br>
Venka to remain cheerful).<br>
--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
<br>
On 24 October 2016 at 00:03, Dirk Frigne <<a href="mailto:dirk.frigne@geosparc.com" target="_blank">dirk.frigne@geosparc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Venka,<br>
<br>
I see on the committees page that my Offices role as Vice president is<br>
erased, and today I see on loomino a nomination for a new Vice President.<br>
I didn't see a motion in the board to dismiss me as an OSGeo Officer.<br>
If you did, and of course the board has the right to do this, it is<br>
polite to let me know. Maybe in advance if possible.<br>
<br>
In an organisation where these positions are paid, this is obligated. I<br>
think it hows at least some respect when the position was executed<br>
voluntarly to act in the same way.<br>
<br>
Can I also knwo (in private please) the reason why I was dismissed from<br>
my function?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
<br>
Dirk Frigne<br>
Vice president OSGeo<br>
<br>
<br>
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