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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I agree with Maxi.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think steps need to be taken to give
Sara a patient</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">hearing and try to amicably address her
concerns. Accepting her <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">request for retirement would come after
that. Hopefully, if</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">her concerns are adequately addressed,
she may</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">re-consider her request for retirement.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I suggest the board to appoint a
sub-committee to find</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">out what prompted Sara has to take this
decision of retire. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The committee should report back to the
board about their findings <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">and advice the board about her request
for retirement.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In any case, the process and final
decision also need to be made <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">public, I think.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Editing the wiki and listing her under
retired members comes only after</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">a genuine effort to <span
data-dobid="hdw">redress her grievance has been made.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Venka<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/8/2018 6:37 AM, Massimiliano
Cannata wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Cameron I don't agree.
Silently leaving a community for lack of time or personal changed interest
or disagreement is not the same that leaving because threaten and not being
protected from the community and publicly declare it.
This call with no doubts or excuses to prompt action, full stop.
Maxi
Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 21:26 Cameron Shorter <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"><cameron.shorter@gmail.com></a>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Sarah, thank you for sharing. I find it very sad when people leave a
community because of fractures within that community. I'm sorry to see you
leave. At some point I want to collate my thoughts related to community and
diversity in an essay. I'm struggling to prioritise enough time to do the
topic justice.
Maxi, while Sarah has very kindly let us know that she is leaving our
community, and explained why, I strongly suspect many more people have
silently left. I feel the number of people emailing our discuss email list
has dropped, and I suspect that confrontational emails have contributed to
that. (I've deliberately limited the CC list to the osgeo board, in line
with Sarah's original email). Writing or improving a Code of Conduct is a
significant undertaking and can be emotionally draining, as there are often
very strong opinions needing to be considered, and there is a track record
of people involved being personally attacked. I'd suggest such an
undertaking is beyond the scope of being a volunteer board member, although
board members would be welcomed within a Code of Conduct committee. You
might also want to volunteer your time to contribute toward a Code of
Conduct committee?
Maria, I applaud your commitment toward wanting to improve our Code of
Conduct. I was on the FOSS4G-Oceania committee and am happy to facilitate
insight into our initiatives into diversity if interested. Re your
statement "things are being done to PREVENT ..." While I'd love to
"prevent" Code-Of-Conduct violations, I think the best we can do is
"reduce" and "mitigate the impacts". Us humans are beautifully complicated
and flawed and we don't always get things right.
Steven Feldman summarised this well in a FOSS4G presentation on Diversity:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cMfFfrgpk1Yqw_P8NfldlG80tvzcnI0U13u81KR7sOU/edit">https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cMfFfrgpk1Yqw_P8NfldlG80tvzcnI0U13u81KR7sOU/edit</a>
Warm regards, Cameron
On 8/12/18 12:15 am, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
Astrid,
I have never intended to insinuate that. I consider you an excellent
person, and please excuse me if this was your feeling.
I just wanted to point out that this fact requires to be appropriately
addressed, and since a long time already passed without any feedback, I
have the impression that it could have just been let flown away...
Looking forward for the board to promptly addresse the case and act.
Maxi
Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 13:05 Astrid Emde (OSGeo) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:astrid_emde@osgeo.org"><astrid_emde@osgeo.org></a>
ha scritto:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hi Maxi,
my mail was only technical and I also noticed it when I wrote it that I
did not say anything about the case.
Sara wrote : "...so I'm revisiting this request: please change my
Charter membership status to "retired". ... cc'd board@lists to help
facilitate the request."
And this was the only thing I focussed on with my answer. It was not my
intention to be insensitive or ignorant.
Sure we - board - still should discuss the case. It is topic for the
next board meeting.
Regards,
Astrid
Am 07.12.2018 09:26 schrieb Massimiliano Cannata:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear Astrid,
I think that this request of withdraw together with the public accuses
it expresses cannot be simply resolved with a wiki page modification.
This call the OSGeo code of conduct committee and the board in its
highest function of guarantor of the community to address the accuses
and take public position with an official communication.
Whether the accuses are true or not I believe this situation is
negatively impacting our community brand and trust.
This fact cannot pass over silence anymore and therefore I publicly
call the board to urgently express and take a position on this.
Let's see if this mail worth a response...
Regards
Maxi
Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 07:56 Astrid Emde (OSGeo)
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:astrid_emde@osgeo.org"><astrid_emde@osgeo.org></a> ha scritto:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hello Sara,
thanls for your email and sorry, that it took a while to work on
your
request.
You are now listed as retired OSGeo Charter Member at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a> [1]
I also edited your User page in the wiki and deleted Charter
member:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi</a> [2]
If you would like to change more content on your charter member
page you
can do so.
All the best Astrid
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Astrid Emde
OSGeo Board Member and OSGeo Secretary
Open Source Geospatial Foundation
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/">https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/</a> [3]
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:astrid_emde@osgeo.org">astrid_emde@osgeo.org</a>
Am 04.12.2018 16:54 schrieb Sara:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Board elections have come & gone and so I'm revisiting this
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">request:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">please change my Charter membership status to "retired".
Astrid - I've been told you have the ability to modify any
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">relevant
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">"master lists". If this isn't true please feel free to forward
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">this to
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">the right person.
Vicky - similarly, I understand you have the ability to edit the
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">content at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/">www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a> [4] [1]. If
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">that's not
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">correct either, please feel free to forward as needed.
cc'd board@lists to help facilitate the request.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: SARA <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com"><sara@sarasafavi.com></a>
Date: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:00 PM
Subject: How to retire membership status?
To: OSGeo Discussions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org"><discuss@lists.osgeo.org></a>
Hello community,
Can someone point me at the relevant documentation re: retiring
current membership status? Specifically, related to Charter
membership.
I understand the processes to nominate & add new charter members
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">but
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">not clear on how current charter members can retire.
To put it another way: how to edit
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a> [1] [2]?
Thanks,
Sara Safavi
Links:
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/">http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a> [4]
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a> [1]
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Links:
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/">https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi</a>
[3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/">https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/</a>
[4] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/">http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/</a>
[5] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a>
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