<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks Jody.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I note the GeoServer CITE tests proposal. It would be good to get a consistent approach if possible. Something to discuss in the requirements gather activity perhaps?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6 Aug 2019, at 16:37, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" class="">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">A couple thoughts:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">a) I did catch up with Luis at foss4gna - who was unaware that more was required for incubation (sigh). Indeed we started on a graduation checklist for TEAM Engine in markdown but I have not heard back ...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">b) GeoServer team is trying to pull together a budget and RFP activity to automate CITE tests here: <a href="https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-176" class="">https://github.com/geoserver/geoserver/wiki/GSIP-176</a> Cite tests are not the kind of activity that has attracted any kind of commercial support, even though they serve as valuable QA for the project. They are also "too big" an activity for a volunteer to automate.</div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">--</div><div class="">Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 20:11, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" class="">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Hi Jody,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal below.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on the OSGeo / OGC relationship:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership renewal time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let Tom speak to this work.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">=====</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo Standards list. We need to geet a much better understanding of what our community and OGC would like from our relationship.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source solutions to lead the way for many standards.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be more effective in our standards collaboration;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce funds to do so; and</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- address other issues that may become apparent after the requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a CITE Community.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the process when we’re ready to start;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if required;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- you are happy for me to lead the effort; and</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the reboot effort to work within.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bruce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <<a href="mailto:tomkralidis@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">tomkralidis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-6359214065534068863Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward OSGeo participation. More to come. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">..Tom</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation process several years ago.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf of OGC.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">They then took CITE to another open source incubator.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be beneficial for all.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Bruce</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <<a href="mailto:bbasques@sharedgeo.org" target="_blank" class="">bbasques@sharedgeo.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">All,</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team? Or is it more than that?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">bobb<br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice if CITE Team engine could attend.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Enjoy the outback!<br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-6359214065534068863m_-7976155313152219522gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">--</div><div class="">Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Tom, Jody,</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited Internet access.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community building. I’ve just started this process.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Kind regards,</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class="">Bruce</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I have updated the <a href="https://www.osgeo.org/partners/ogc/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">OGC partnership page</a>:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?</div><div class="">- Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo contact point, is this something we can change?<br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-6359214065534068863m_-7976155313152219522gmail-m_-8307069684495893369gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">--</div><div class="">Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <<a href="mailto:tom.kralidis@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">tom.kralidis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our<br class="">
partnership with OGC came<br class="">
up in a few areas:<br class="">
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- invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint<br class="">
- provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board<br class="">
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Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the Board?<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks<br class="">
<br class="">
..Tom<br class="">
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