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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Michele,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the input. I know some lists are very busy many of the project ones – e.g. postgis, gdal, proj, geos.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>From what I just read about Mailman 3, it does look like it has a forum like feature in it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>So it’s a question to me if the Mailman 3 forum like feature is good enough to satisfy the needs of those who don’t like mailing lists at the benefit of not stratifying our groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I personally don’t have issue belonging to both camps, since they’d all be coming to me via email anyway. For many which I am just a casual observer, I would prefer a forum format.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mailman 3 has been out for a while, so I think it’s an inevitability that if we keep mailman we should upgrade to it, just to stay current. The number of moving parts of Mailman 3 does concern me a bit, but I’m not sure if discourse would be any easier, aside from not having a migrate piece to contend with.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Michele M Tobias [mailto:mmtobias@ucdavis.edu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 7, 2022 3:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Regina Obe <lr@pcorp.us>; 'Jody Garnett' <jody.garnett@gmail.com>; 'Pierre Cardinal' <pierre.cardinal@sympatico.ca><br><b>Cc:</b> board@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Board] Mailing lists interface<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I can’t comment on the details of email list tools, but given the lack us use of many of the general topic mailing lists for OSGeo, it might not be worth the effort to add (or restore) features if the email functions are working otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I think it would be worth a try to have a Discourse site. The Davis R Users Group uses it so I’ve seen that you can set it up to email you if you want notifications of posts (kind of like how GitHub can notify you of any posts to the Issues board). It’s not my favorite platform, but I’ve recently had discussions with a handful of students that they don’t even know what an email list is. The new Telegram group is getting a lot of discussion, even if it’s been mostly about how to set up Telegram groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Michele Tobias, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Geospatial Data Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>DataLab: Data Science & Informatics<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>UC Davis Library <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>370 Shields Library<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>(530)752-7532<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:mmtobias@ucdavis.edu"><span style='color:#0563C1'>mmtobias@ucdavis.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>ORCID: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Noto Sans";color:#494A4C;background:white'><a href="https://orcid.org/0000-0002-2954-8710"><span style='color:#0563C1'>0000-0002-2954-8710</span></a> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Pronouns: she, her, hers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Board <<a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Regina Obe via Board<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 7, 2022 11:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Jody Garnett' <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>; 'Pierre Cardinal' <<a href="mailto:pierre.cardinal@sympatico.ca">pierre.cardinal@sympatico.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org">board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] Mailing lists interface<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I’m not familiar with the benefits of Mailman 3 over Mailman 2. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>There has been recent discussion about the difficulty some people have with using mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Many people seem to prefer a forum like system over a mailing list system. One suggestion that gained much applause in this regard is discourse which many FOSS systems seem to prefer over mailing lists. Only issue with it is the ease to bridge the gap between our mailing lists and discourse. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Discourse does seem like it can work as both a forum and a mailing list type setup:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/62977">https://meta.discourse.org/t/start-a-new-topic-via-email/62977</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Is it okay to stratify discussion like this, given that the mailing list system works for many, but we could garner a bigger crowd with discourse?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Some FOSS systems that were mentioned using discourse<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://community.opendronemap.org/">https://community.opendronemap.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://forum.orfeo-toolbox.org/">https://forum.orfeo-toolbox.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><a href="https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/">https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Board [<a href="mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:board-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jody Garnett via Board<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 7, 2022 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Pierre Cardinal <<a href="mailto:pierre.cardinal@sympatico.ca">pierre.cardinal@sympatico.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> osgeo-board List <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] Mailing lists interface<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pierre:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Not a board member here, but you are welcome to propose the idea of using Mailman 3 to the system committee at <a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo">https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>OSGeo if volunteer driven, so if you have any experience to assist with migration it would be very welcome.<br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jody Garnett<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, 7 Sept 2022 at 09:48, Pierre Cardinal via Board <<a href="mailto:board@lists.osgeo.org">board@lists.osgeo.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Since the announcement of the shutting down of Nabble, does the OSGeo board did something to replace it ? Without a friendly interface, it is difficult to users to communicate with each other. To keep the old mailing lists, why the OSGeo does not use Mailman 3 ? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA>Pierre Cardinal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Board@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">Board@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>