[OSGeo-Conf] [SAC] foss4g europe ticket

Thu Nov 21 04:02:20 PST 2013

I think we're violently agreeing then ;-)

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On 21/11/2013 11:56, "Seven (aka Arnulf)" <seven at arnulf.us> wrote:

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>Exactly. This is also what I tried to suggest in an earlier mail:
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>"... Registration, paper submission, etc. can be dynamic and get thrown
>away after use. The main page, abstract and presentation archive should
>be simple HTML."
>
>But apparently I have lost all my skills at communicating things. What I
>wanted to say is that the LOC has some responsibility to provide an
>archive version of their event. Not sure whether this is part of the
>handbook yet, it definitely should be (in my strange opinion).
>
>The basic problem is that OSGeo System Administration should not have to
>maintain several years of PHP clutter, maintain different databases and
>virtual machines just to be able to present a comprehensive archive of
>past FOSS4Gs. Hence there is some requirement for the LOC to make sure
>that what they create can be maintained over coming eons.
>
>Cheers,
>Arnulf
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>
>On 21.11.2013 12:03, Jeremy Morley wrote:
>> 
>> But surely the point is that the website should be capable of being
>> reduced to a simple, reduced interactivity version for transfer to and
>> archiving by FOSS4G (with a plan of action to actually do so), rather
>>than
>> specifying how it should be created and managed in its operational
>>phase?
>> It's the outcome not the interim that's important for archiving.
>> 
>> (Essentially this is what we're about to do for the FOSS4G 2013's site -
>> once we've put some final content on the site relating to feedback
>>reports
>> we will produce an archivable export. Our site would have had a shadow
>>of
>> its interactivity without the backend & upfront systems that Barry
>>worked
>> so hard on.).
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jeremy
>> 
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>> Jeremy Morley
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>> Triumph Road, University of Nottingham. NG7 2TU, United Kingdom.
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>> Tel.:  +44/0 115 84 68411
>> Email: jeremy.morley at nottingham.ac.uk
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 21/11/2013 10:23, "Seven (aka Arnulf)" <seven at arnulf.us> wrote:
>> 
>> On 21.11.2013 00:38, Steven Feldman wrote:
>>>>> I'd hesitate to be too proscriptive about how the LOC develops their
>>>>>web
>>>>> content or to risk stifling innovation. I'd also question whether
>>>>>ease
>>>>> of archiving should be a major criteria in designing the web presence
>>>>> for an event
>> 
>> Yes it should. We want to have an archive of FOSS4G events. Experience
>> shows that kindly provided ad-hoc servers suddenly disappear. OSGeo can
>> provide the continuity which is required to have a gapless record of
>> FOSS4G events.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Arnulf
>> 
>>>>> ______
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Nov 2013, at 10:10, "Seven (aka Arnulf)" <seven at arnulf.us
>>>>> <mailto:seven at arnulf.us>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jachym,
>>>>> all fine except that for archiving reasons it may be good to copy a
>>>>> static copy of the conference pages to OSGeo servers eventually - at
>>>>> latest after the event. Therefore maybe the LOC would be happy to
>>>>> maintain the web site on OSGeo servers to start with.
>>>>>
>>>>> We might want to advise the LOC to implement their event website in
>>>>>an
>>>>> archivable format (avoid dynamic systems which require lots of
>>>>> maintenance, etc.). Registration, paper submission, etc. can be
>>>>>dynamic
>>>>> and get thrown away after use. The main page, abstract and
>>>>>presentation
>>>>> archive should be simple HTML.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once agreed this is again something for the handbook...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Arnulf
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19.11.2013 21:20, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alex, big thanks for you work on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In aliment with #1247, we agreed, that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) europe.foss4g.org/index.html
>>>>>>>><http://europe.foss4g.org/index.html>
>>>>>>>> will be static page, preferably on OSGeo
>>>>>>>> server, pointing to every year's conference page
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) europe.foss4g.org/YEAR <http://europe.foss4g.org/YEAR> will
>>>>>>>>point
>>>>>>>> to every year servers, hosted by
>>>>>>>> local organization committee (every year different).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reason for this: avoid any work from OSGeo system admins in the
>>>>>>>> future,
>>>>>>>> so that we can go on year after year using this configuration, by
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> adding new YEAR redirection to yet-another-server.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Basically, I'm all for *any* solution, which will lead to the
>>>>>>>>state,
>>>>>>>> where we will have infrastructure, which could be easy setuped
>>>>>>>>every
>>>>>>>> year. As you are writing, DNS would be best solution (not sure,
>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>> europe.fos4g.org/2014 <http://europe.fos4g.org/2014> can be
>>>>>>>> considered as valid DNS record).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think, moving conference page to osgeo server would be too
>>>>>>>> complicated
>>>>>>>> (server admins would have to change year-after year, it will be
>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>> probably hosted on some university server ...) I'm not sure, what
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>> would mean for you guys, and I just want to avoid any future work,
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> I appreciate what you are already doing for us (OSGeo).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jachym
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dne 18.11.2013 19:34, Alex Mandel napsal(a):
>>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2013 03:19 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could please anybody have a short look at the ticket #1247,
>>>>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>>>>> setting up the domain and e-mail adresses for the FOSS4G-Europe
>>>>>>>>>> organization committee?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have still some quiestions, which need to be clarified?
>>>>>>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> "just" lack of time?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jachym
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1247
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think there are still some questions. I ended up putting in a
>>>>>>>>> proxy
>>>>>>>>> just to make it work for now. But if you're going to host
>>>>>>>>>everything
>>>>>>>>> over on the server indicated should we just point the DNS
>>>>>>>>>directly
>>>>>>>>> there? Or did you want to move the site over to an osgeo server?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mostly this all gets more complicated when dealing with SSL for
>>>>>>>>> logins.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email stuff is completely out of my hands but that looks like
>>>>>>>>> others are
>>>>>>>>> looking into it. Agreed the DNS and email stuff are separate
>>>>>>>>> tickets and
>>>>>>>>> Arnulf's questions about branding are an even bigger discussion
>>>>>>>>> amongst
>>>>>>>>> all the current europe conference groups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>> Sac at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Sac at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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