[OSGeo-Conf] Draft agreement between OSGeo and FOSSGIS eV re finance for FOSS4G 2016

Wed Sep 9 00:16:22 PDT 2015

Hi Conference Committee,

in order to get that issue passed before I leave to Seoul,

Am 2015-09-08 10:49, schrieb Bart van den Eijnden:
> Ah sorry, that’s a stupid question in hindsight, since the agreement
> is in EUR there is no currency risk for the LOC, only for OSGeo.
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
>> On 08 Sep 2015, at 10:44, Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl
>> [21]> wrote:
>>
>> Just one question to confirm, so fluctuations in EUR/USD are at the
>> risk of the LOC?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bart
>>
>>> On 08 Sep 2015, at 10:37, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com
>>> [18]> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 from me
>>>
>>> ______
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>> On 7 Sep 2015, at 23:50, Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us [13]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Conference Committee members, could you please voice an opinion
>>>> on
>>>> this proposed agreement (or specific comments)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/foss4g/2016/financial_stuff/agreement_with_osgeo/Agreement-between-OSGeo-and-FOSSGISeV-2016.pdf
>>>> [14]
>>>>
>>>> +1 from me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 7:08 AM, <till.adams at fossgis.de [15]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gert-Jan,
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, we have an PCO, but as we as FOSSGIS e.V. are a legal
>>>>> entity on our
>>>>> own, there is no need to include our PCO in this agreement.
>>>>> PCO is just
>>>>> contracted thruogh FOSSGIS later. This was in some earlier
>>>>> cases different,
>>>>> as OCL didn't have any legal entity.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, Till
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 2015-09-04 15:32, schrieb geejee at dds.nl [10]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Although not my primary cup-of-tea one comment:
>>>>>> The agreement says it determines the "arrangements between
>>>>>> the LOC
>>>>>> and/or PCO and OSGeo". My interpretation from that sentence
>>>>>> is that
>>>>>> there are apparantly 3 parties involved (LOC, PCO, OSgeo).
>>>>>> However,
>>>>>> just above this text there are only 2 parties identified
>>>>>> (OSGeo and
>>>>>> FOSSGIS e.V., the LOC).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course the parties involved will have a clue about what
>>>>>> the POC
>>>>>> is, but in formal contract (as this document is supposed to
>>>>>> be) I'd
>>>>>> explain the POC-role is one or two sentences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gert-Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> till.adams at fossgis.de [9] schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just my comments:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 85% are prposed for the template, which should be used
>>>>>>> every year
>>>>>>> from now on. So any LOC has to refund at least 85% of the
>>>>>>> outcome to OSGeo.
>>>>>>> The 90% are our specific offer to OSGeo, so that's
>>>>>>> specialized for the LOC
>>>>>>> 2016.
>>>>>>> Maybe there are some local chapters, that are happy to
>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>> opportunity to get some money from a very likely outcome
>>>>>>> of a FOSS4G.
>>>>>>> For us, FOSSGIS e.V. (which is the legal entity behind LOC
>>>>>>> 2016) we do
>>>>>>> not need some % of the outcome, because we have our own
>>>>>>> conference and with
>>>>>>> that our own income.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked myself about the 30 days, but thought, okay, that
>>>>>>> seed-money must
>>>>>>> be on our account after conference. But the way you wrote
>>>>>>> it is fine also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my notes,
>>>>>>> regards, Till
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 2015-09-03 20:26, schrieb Eli Adam:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Jeff McKenna
>>>>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [4]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many issues with that PDF (thanks GoogleDocs). I fixed
>>>>>>>>> them (ended up
>>>>>>>>> creating a new empty document and renaming, yikes).
>>>>>>>>> Here are correct
>>>>>>>>> links:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for fixing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pdf:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/financial_stuff/agreement_with_osgeo/Agreement-between-OSGeo-and-FOSSGISeV-2016.pdf
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> odt:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/financial_stuff/agreement_with_osgeo/Agreement-between-OSGeo-and-FOSSGISeV-2016.odt
>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-09-03 12:15 PM, Steven Feldman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have drafted an agreement between OSGeo and
>>>>>>>>>> FOSSGIS eV re finance
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2016. See
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for putting this together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> f="https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/financial_stuff/agreement_with_osgeo/DraftagreementbetweenOSGeoandaFOSS4GLOC.pdf"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> class="">https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/financial_stuff/agreement_with_osgeo/DraftagreementbetweenOSGeoandaFOSS4GLOC.pdf
>>>>>>>>> Till and I have gone through it, made a couple of
>>>>>>>>> improvements and we
>>>>>>>>> are both happy with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The next step is for the conference committee to
>>>>>>>>> either approve it or
>>>>>>>>> suggest amendments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In one spot it said 85%, in another 90%. I've
>>>>>>>> 90% in
>>>>>>>> both places,
>>>>>>>> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/12516/ [5]. If
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> should both be 85% then we can change it back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pertaining to "9. The Advance will be repaid to OSGeo by
>>>>>>>> the LOC
>>>>>>>> within 30 days of the end of the Event", that sort of
>>>>>>>> conflicts with
>>>>>>>> the whole agreement. The agreement is that OSGeo may not
>>>>>>>> get the 50K
>>>>>>>> back as well as possibly lose another 50k. Also, I don't
>>>>>>>> see anything
>>>>>>>> like that getting done in 30 days (looking at past
>>>>>>>> years, 6 months
>>>>>>>> seems like the average). I think that something to the
>>>>>>>> effect of, "9.
>>>>>>>> The LOC will provide a written report on financial
>>>>>>>> accounting
>>>>>>>> detailing balance of revenues and expenses and
>>>>>>>> outstanding
>>>>>>>> indeterminates within 30 days of the event. Based on
>>>>>>>> availability,
>>>>>>>> arrangement will be made to repay the seed money
>>>>>>>> promptly and the rest
>>>>>>>> of any surplus on a later timeline." is more realistic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you give feedback before Monday morning?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Monday is a holiday in the US. Tuesday morning may be a
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> reasonable deadline for some US people (but they also
>>>>>>>> have today and
>>>>>>>> tomorrow).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assuming there are no major objections I suggest that
>>>>>>>> Eli as Chair of
>>>>>>>> the Conference Committee submits to the Board as a
>>>>>>>> recommendation for
>>>>>>>> them to vote on.
>>>>>>>
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> Links:
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> [1]
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> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/financial_stuff/agreement_with_osgeo/Agreement-between-OSGeo-and-FOSSGISeV-2016.pdf
> [2]
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> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/financial_stuff/agreement_with_osgeo/Agreement-between-OSGeo-and-FOSSGISeV-2016.odt
> [3] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> [4] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> [5] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/12516/
> [6] mailto:Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
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> [10] mailto:geejee at dds.nl
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