[OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G MailChimp account
Jonathan Moules
jonathan-lists at lightpear.com
Fri Jan 25 14:40:29 PST 2019
Given no-one else appears to be against the tracking, I guess I'll put
my oar in.
Isn't this counter to the spirit of Open Source and the freedoms that
FOSS is meant to encompass? Certainly I know that Richard Stallman takes
great exception to being tracked, and generally speaking his track
record on why we shouldn't give up our freedoms readily is pretty much
spot-on. The "Free" in FOSS is liberty, not price.
Is it right to sacrifice the end users privacy in this manner? It may
meet the letter of the GDPR, but it seems counter to the spirit. So I'd
say tracking should definitely be disabled.
Cheers,
Jonathan
On 2019-01-25 21:33, Eli Adam wrote:
> The tracking is also configurable by the sender. If senders want
> metrics of how many people open emails or click links they can enable
> it. (Or maybe it defaults on and you have to disable it.)
> https://mailchimp.com/help/enable-and-view-click-tracking/
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:01 PM Ian Turton <ijturton at gmail.com
> <mailto:ijturton at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The tracking is easily defeated by
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pixelblock/ amoung other
> extensions.
>
> Ian
>
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 19:51, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> AFAIK MailChimp tracks whether a recipient opens a mail and
> whether they click on certain call to action links in the
> mail. I can’t see anything very nefarious in that tracking but
> perhaps others would have a problem, in which case they have
> the option to unsubscribe and not be tracked
> ______
> Steven
>
> Unusual maps in strange places - mappery.org <http://mappery.org>
> @MapsintheWild <http://twitter.com/mapsinthewild>
>
>> On 25 Jan 2019, at 19:46, Jeffrey Johnson <ortelius at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ortelius at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Im +1 too ... and managing the FOSS4G-NA list now ... which
>> could not be handed over from Eclipse for policy reasons.
>>
>> I do however recall some 'complaints' on the discuss list
>> about Mailchimp 'tracking' with links. Im sure if this were
>> brought up there, someone would have something to say against
>> it. Thats about par for the course though I guess?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 11:28 AM Cameron Shorter
>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 Great idea for reasons already mentioned.
>>
>> On 25/1/19 8:56 pm, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>>> +1 to anything, what helps
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> čt 24. 1. 2019 v 22:22 odesílatel Amanda Taub
>>> <ataub.gis at gmail.com <mailto:ataub.gis at gmail.com>> napsal:
>>>
>>> I assist in running the Mailchimp account for
>>> Washington URISA. It is very possible to have
>>> separate email lists for different regions and for
>>> OSGeo overall. It is easy enough to setup these
>>> lists and create an opt-in page.
>>>
>>> Amanda
>>>
>>> Amanda H.S. Taub, GISP
>>> Central Washington GIS User Group (CWGIS) Organizer
>>> Washington URISA (WAURISA) Marketing Volunteer
>>> Marketing Lead for 2019 Washington GIS Conference
>>> URISA Marketing Committee Volunteer
>>> URISA Social Media Work Group Chair
>>> FOSS4G 2020 Calgary Local Organizing Committee Member
>>> <http://www.urisa.org/index.php>
>>> <http://www.urisa.org/about-us/urisa-s-giscorps/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:53 AM Msilikale Msilanga
>>> <msilikalemsilanga at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:msilikalemsilanga at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> It is a good idea especially that African
>>> community who did not have any information
>>> regarding OSGeo before are now following up
>>> updates on FOSS4G conferences. It is only
>>> because of that now many African community want
>>> to participate into the FOSS4G conferences.
>>>
>>> I also agree with Michael Terner
>>> <mailto:ternergeo at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Msilikale
>>>
>>>> On 24 Jan 2019, at 2:49 PM, Guido Stein
>>>> <guido at guidostein.com
>>>> <mailto:guido at guidostein.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 I like the ideas shared in this thread.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:25 PM Steven Feldman
>>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We don’t need separate lists, it is much
>>>> easier to manage all of our FOSS4G contacts
>>>> in one list. We can tag records as we load
>>>> them with a region and/or we can add them
>>>> to groups by allowing them to select their
>>>> preferences and tick what regions they want
>>>> to receive info about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -
>>>> mappery.org <http://mappery.org/>
>>>> @MapsintheWild
>>>> <http://twitter.com/mapsinthewild>
>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Jan 2019, at 15:58, Eli Adam
>>>>> <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us
>>>>> <mailto:eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree this is a good idea. I also echo
>>>>> Michael's comments and think that it is
>>>>> probably best to have separate lists for
>>>>> separate events (even if managed through
>>>>> the same MailChimp account).
>>>>>
>>>>> "tech" things that have regular bills are
>>>>> usually "owned" by SAC or at least SAC
>>>>> owns the paying the bill part. We could
>>>>> ask SAC. Managing the account seems like
>>>>> a conference committee duty, at least for
>>>>> the global FOSS4G.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards, Eli
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:14 AM michael
>>>>> terner <ternergeo at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:ternergeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is a great idea. Of
>>>>> course, it'd also be great if some
>>>>> "best practices" and how-to materials
>>>>> accompanied this transition (e.g., how
>>>>> to create a new campaign, how to open
>>>>> access to individual conferences
>>>>> [e.g., there might be two conferences
>>>>> using the list concurrently], etc.).
>>>>> The only downside I see is that the
>>>>> list could potentially erode due to
>>>>> opt outs emanating from regional
>>>>> events hitting the whole list. For
>>>>> instance, if I'm in the USA and I
>>>>> start getting lots of emails for
>>>>> European events, I may choose to opt
>>>>> out, and then I'd be off the global
>>>>> list too. Or, perhaps, a best practice
>>>>> would be to require/strongly suggest
>>>>> regional filtering for regional
>>>>> events, i.e., in my European event
>>>>> example, they'd filter to only mail to
>>>>> European countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just some thoughts that this is not
>>>>> necessarily as simple as it seems, and
>>>>> we should think about the best
>>>>> practices and a smooth implementation.
>>>>> Who/what committee from OSGeo might be
>>>>> considered to "own" this resource?
>>>>>
>>>>> My $.02...
>>>>>
>>>>> MT
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:43 AM Steven
>>>>> Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is a great idea both
>>>>> from ensuring continuity and
>>>>> sustainability for future FOSS4G’s
>>>>> and also from a GDPR standpoint
>>>>> (the group of GDPR volunteers have
>>>>> not forgotten that we need to get
>>>>> OSGeo to be full GDPR compliant!!)
>>>>> ______
>>>>> Steven
>>>>>
>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -
>>>>> mappery.org <http://mappery.org/>
>>>>> @MapsintheWild
>>>>> <http://twitter.com/mapsinthewild>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Jan 2019, at 09:53, Vasile
>>>>>> Craciunescu
>>>>>> <vasile at geo-spatial.org
>>>>>> <mailto:vasile at geo-spatial.org>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope my email finds you well. I
>>>>>> will like to ask your opinion on
>>>>>> a item that can be associated
>>>>>> with the Conference Committee. At
>>>>>> least since Boston, the various
>>>>>> LOC of FOSS4G global are using
>>>>>> MaiChimp [1] for communication
>>>>>> with potential participants,
>>>>>> register participants and the
>>>>>> sponsors. The account is passed
>>>>>> from one LOC to another without
>>>>>> any formal agreement. There are
>>>>>> more than 5000 contacts
>>>>>> subscribed to this channel, all
>>>>>> past participants at FOSS4G
>>>>>> international or FOSS4G-NA. All
>>>>>> agreed to be subscribed and
>>>>>> receive communication from
>>>>>> OSGeo/LOCs regarding FOSS4G
>>>>>> topics. Compliance with GDPR [2]
>>>>>> is also assured.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question to you if is not
>>>>>> better to have OSGeo take over
>>>>>> this account and provide access
>>>>>> to FOSS4G LOC's. Why I'm saying this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. By having no formal way of
>>>>>> handling this there is a chance
>>>>>> to loose the account (lists,
>>>>>> templates, campaigns reports,
>>>>>> etc) in case of bad communication
>>>>>> among the LOC's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The account is not a big
>>>>>> financial burden for the LOC
>>>>>> (approx 77$/month) but at
>>>>>> transition time some glitches can
>>>>>> occur. E.g. last year, Mark paid
>>>>>> for 1-2 months from his pocket
>>>>>> because BLOC was slow to react
>>>>>> and replace his card in the
>>>>>> account settings. This can be
>>>>>> avoid if OSGeo take care of the
>>>>>> account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. The account can be also used
>>>>>> by the important regional FOSS4G
>>>>>> events like FOSS4G-NA and
>>>>>> FOSS4G-Europe. There are
>>>>>> mechanism to have separate
>>>>>> campaigns and target the
>>>>>> subscribes geographically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, no LOC can be forced
>>>>>> to use MailChimp for
>>>>>> communication purposes. Is just
>>>>>> an idea, in the context os OSGeo
>>>>>> budget discussion, to make things
>>>>>> easy for the future LOCs. What do
>>>>>> you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Vasile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://mailchimp.com
>>>>>> <https://mailchimp.com/>
>>>>>> [2] https://eugdpr.org
>>>>>> <https://eugdpr.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Vasile Crăciunescu
>>>>>> geo-spatial.org
>>>>>> <http://geo-spatial.org/>: An
>>>>>> elegant place for sharing
>>>>>> geoKnowledge & geoData
>>>>>> http://www.geo-spatial.org
>>>>>> <http://www.geo-spatial.org/>
>>>>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/geo-spatial
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