From delawen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 14:45:10 2019
From: delawen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Mar=C3=ADa_Arias_de_Reyna?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:45:10 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Deadline question
Message-ID: <CAERgKeDUytR_-65fHm6W6aKNWcq8sEieM2j-ZgYJrBOmrVPtuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a question about the deadlines: proposals can be sent until the
23:59 of the 22nd of November in the latest time zone, right? Just checking
to make sure the Argentinian team can coordinate properly.

Thank you,
Maria.
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From eadam at co.lincoln.or.us  Sun Nov 17 17:57:21 2019
From: eadam at co.lincoln.or.us (Eli Adam)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:57:21 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Deadline question
In-Reply-To: <CAERgKeDUytR_-65fHm6W6aKNWcq8sEieM2j-ZgYJrBOmrVPtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERgKeDUytR_-65fHm6W6aKNWcq8sEieM2j-ZgYJrBOmrVPtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACqBkM9mExNqoJnwYLbto=RtZGpNc_Jd6=wMx2T5YUVgRqwQEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi María,

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 2:45 PM María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a question about the deadlines: proposals can be sent until the 23:59 of the 22nd of November in the latest time zone, right? Just checking to make sure the Argentinian team can coordinate properly.
>

Speaking for myself, Till may detail further later.

The wiki, https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process, links
to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anywhere_on_Earth which seems to
suggest yes, it can be sent in the end of the last time zone.  The
presence of that link may be a copy/paste holdover from previous
years.

Generally, I think things should be sent in before the last minute
(this allows for emails to be stuck in the moderation queue, the
hosting center to lose connection, file sizes too big, etc) but
everyone can use their own judgement.

Also, the deadline is to keep the process moving, not to
qualify/disqualify bids.  Send it in before 23:59 and we don't have to
deliberate if a 00:00 or 00:01 qualifies.

Those are my thoughts.

Best regards, Eli

> Thank you,
> Maria.
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From delawen at gmail.com  Sun Nov 17 23:05:01 2019
From: delawen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Mar=C3=ADa_Arias_de_Reyna?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 08:05:01 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Deadline question
In-Reply-To: <CACqBkM9mExNqoJnwYLbto=RtZGpNc_Jd6=wMx2T5YUVgRqwQEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERgKeDUytR_-65fHm6W6aKNWcq8sEieM2j-ZgYJrBOmrVPtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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El lun., 18 nov. 2019 2:57, Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us> escribió:

> Hi María,
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 2:45 PM María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a question about the deadlines: proposals can be sent until the
> 23:59 of the 22nd of November in the latest time zone, right? Just checking
> to make sure the Argentinian team can coordinate properly.
> >
>
> Speaking for myself, Till may detail further later.
>
> The wiki, https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process, links
> to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anywhere_on_Earth which seems to
> suggest yes, it can be sent in the end of the last time zone.  The
> presence of that link may be a copy/paste holdover from previous
> years.
>
> Generally, I think things should be sent in before the last minute
> (this allows for emails to be stuck in the moderation queue, the
> hosting center to lose connection, file sizes too big, etc) but
> everyone can use their own judgement.
>

Sure, that's not our plan. Our initial doubt was more in the line of
checking if the 22nd was a valid day to send anything.


> Also, the deadline is to keep the process moving, not to
> qualify/disqualify bids.  Send it in before 23:59 and we don't have to
> deliberate if a 00:00 or 00:01 qualifies.
>
> Those are my thoughts.
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
> > Thank you,
> > Maria.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Conference_dev mailing list
> > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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From till.adams at fossgis.de  Sun Nov 17 23:16:27 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 08:16:27 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Deadline question
In-Reply-To: <CAERgKeDUytR_-65fHm6W6aKNWcq8sEieM2j-ZgYJrBOmrVPtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAERgKeDUytR_-65fHm6W6aKNWcq8sEieM2j-ZgYJrBOmrVPtuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0f8af10a-08e7-2618-273b-f7cee762154c@fossgis.de>

Dear Maria, @all,

yes, you are right. It is last possible time.

Till



Am 17.11.19 um 23:45 schrieb María Arias de Reyna:
> Hi,
>
> I have a question about the deadlines: proposals can be sent until the
> 23:59 of the 22nd of November in the latest time zone, right? Just
> checking to make sure the Argentinian team can coordinate properly. 
>
> Thank you, 
> Maria. 
>
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From guneycan at itu.edu.tr  Fri Nov 22 02:34:53 2019
From: guneycan at itu.edu.tr (Caner Guney)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:34:53 +0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
Message-ID: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>

Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,

I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the 
second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.

We're really sorry about the problems we caused.

We hope we can apply for next years.

Thank you for your understanding.

Best regards,

Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney

Istanbul Technical University

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From till.adams at fossgis.de  Fri Nov 22 04:33:33 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:33:33 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
References: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <867ea285-e52e-97fe-4986-4f0298c2e598@fossgis.de>

Dear Caner,

this is really a shame, that you have to give up so close to the
deadline. Also or above all because I think your team has already put a
lot of effort and passion into your application.

But you will have serious reasons if you have to quit so close to the
finish line.

BTW: It is also a pitty for the nice logo not to have the chance to get
printed on hundreds of T-shirts now ...


In any case, many thanks for your effort and of course the next call for
a location will surely come.

I wish you all the best and warm regards,


Till


Am 22.11.19 um 11:34 schrieb Caner Guney:
>
> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
>
> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the
> second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
>
> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
>
> We hope we can apply for next years.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
>
> Istanbul Technical University
>
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From till.adams at fossgis.de  Fri Nov 22 04:40:11 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:40:11 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Istanbul Team had to quit the competition for FOSS4G
	2021 - what now?
In-Reply-To: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
References: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <3908c493-582c-d7c8-195e-1953933e3d21@fossgis.de>

Dear Conference Committee!

Regarding having a real competition, the fact, that the Istanbul Team
had to give up is a shame, but fortunately we still have one application
left!

@Buenos Aires Team: Please, please stay aboard!


I would propose to do the same, as we did for the Dar es Salam
application (this was the same situation, we only had one team left):

Carefully read the (hopefully) incoming proposal from Buenos Aires and
ask questions!

Finally we will do a simple yes/no vote on the proposal.


If anybody of you has a different opinion, please let us know.


Till


From delawen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 04:44:24 2019
From: delawen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Mar=C3=ADa_Arias_de_Reyna?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:44:24 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Istanbul Team had to quit the competition for
 FOSS4G 2021 - what now?
In-Reply-To: <3908c493-582c-d7c8-195e-1953933e3d21@fossgis.de>
References: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
 <3908c493-582c-d7c8-195e-1953933e3d21@fossgis.de>
Message-ID: <CAERgKeB8G_CodmOPisbaxMrpiwchBdUdOSyAA5yMkrONjn8Lzw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

Just a quick update: Buenos Aires is waking up right now with the news
(9:45 in the morning right now). We are also a bit disappointed to be
alone on the competition, but we will be sending the proposal anyway
in a few hours.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:40 PM Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:
>
> Dear Conference Committee!
>
> Regarding having a real competition, the fact, that the Istanbul Team
> had to give up is a shame, but fortunately we still have one application
> left!
>
> @Buenos Aires Team: Please, please stay aboard!
>
>
> I would propose to do the same, as we did for the Dar es Salam
> application (this was the same situation, we only had one team left):
>
> Carefully read the (hopefully) incoming proposal from Buenos Aires and
> ask questions!
>
> Finally we will do a simple yes/no vote on the proposal.
>
>
> If anybody of you has a different opinion, please let us know.
>
>
> Till
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From till.adams at fossgis.de  Fri Nov 22 04:46:58 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:46:58 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Istanbul Team had to quit the competition for
 FOSS4G 2021 - what now?
In-Reply-To: <CAERgKeB8G_CodmOPisbaxMrpiwchBdUdOSyAA5yMkrONjn8Lzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
 <3908c493-582c-d7c8-195e-1953933e3d21@fossgis.de>
 <CAERgKeB8G_CodmOPisbaxMrpiwchBdUdOSyAA5yMkrONjn8Lzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e13dd9c6-b67b-2672-5664-48c77c353a75@fossgis.de>

Thanks!!!

Till


Am 22.11.19 um 13:44 schrieb María Arias de Reyna:
> Hi!
>
> Just a quick update: Buenos Aires is waking up right now with the news
> (9:45 in the morning right now). We are also a bit disappointed to be
> alone on the competition, but we will be sending the proposal anyway
> in a few hours.
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:40 PM Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:
>> Dear Conference Committee!
>>
>> Regarding having a real competition, the fact, that the Istanbul Team
>> had to give up is a shame, but fortunately we still have one application
>> left!
>>
>> @Buenos Aires Team: Please, please stay aboard!
>>
>>
>> I would propose to do the same, as we did for the Dar es Salam
>> application (this was the same situation, we only had one team left):
>>
>> Carefully read the (hopefully) incoming proposal from Buenos Aires and
>> ask questions!
>>
>> Finally we will do a simple yes/no vote on the proposal.
>>
>>
>> If anybody of you has a different opinion, please let us know.
>>
>>
>> Till
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From shfeldman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 06:12:24 2019
From: shfeldman at gmail.com (Steven Feldman)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:12:24 +0000
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] Istanbul Team had to quit the competition for
 FOSS4G 2021 - what now?
In-Reply-To: <CAERgKeB8G_CodmOPisbaxMrpiwchBdUdOSyAA5yMkrONjn8Lzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
 <3908c493-582c-d7c8-195e-1953933e3d21@fossgis.de>
 <CAERgKeB8G_CodmOPisbaxMrpiwchBdUdOSyAA5yMkrONjn8Lzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDF80646-A248-4239-B94A-42A4F0727971@gmail.com>

I think the CC should still ask detailed questions of the BALOC and even seek minor changes if we feel that they are needed. We should then vote on the proposal and hopefully have a strong majority supporting the decision to award FOSS4G 2021 to BA (if less than 50% of CC vote in favour I think we have a problem recommending BA to the board, but let’s cross that bridge when we come to it!)

Looking forward to reading the BA proposal 🙂
______
Steven

Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org <http://mappery.org/>

Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild <http://eepurl.com/dKStT-/>” newsletter

> On 22 Nov 2019, at 12:44, María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Just a quick update: Buenos Aires is waking up right now with the news
> (9:45 in the morning right now). We are also a bit disappointed to be
> alone on the competition, but we will be sending the proposal anyway
> in a few hours.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:40 PM Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Conference Committee!
>> 
>> Regarding having a real competition, the fact, that the Istanbul Team
>> had to give up is a shame, but fortunately we still have one application
>> left!
>> 
>> @Buenos Aires Team: Please, please stay aboard!
>> 
>> 
>> I would propose to do the same, as we did for the Dar es Salam
>> application (this was the same situation, we only had one team left):
>> 
>> Carefully read the (hopefully) incoming proposal from Buenos Aires and
>> ask questions!
>> 
>> Finally we will do a simple yes/no vote on the proposal.
>> 
>> 
>> If anybody of you has a different opinion, please let us know.
>> 
>> 
>> Till
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

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From shfeldman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 06:15:57 2019
From: shfeldman at gmail.com (Steven Feldman)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:15:57 +0000
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
References: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
Message-ID: <2791E3B8-4E2A-4814-9F61-A66F3AB5603D@gmail.com>

Dear Caner

That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024

Best regards
______
Steven

Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org <http://mappery.org/>

Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild <http://eepurl.com/dKStT-/>” newsletter

> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
> 
> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
> 
> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons. 
> 
> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
> 
> We hope we can apply for next years.
> 
> Thank you for your understanding.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
> 
> Istanbul Technical University
> 
> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
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From jachym.cepicky at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 06:45:55 2019
From: jachym.cepicky at gmail.com (Jachym Cepicky)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 15:45:55 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <2791E3B8-4E2A-4814-9F61-A66F3AB5603D@gmail.com>
References: <a56fc367-bafb-947d-b221-6d40b772cea6@itu.edu.tr>
 <2791E3B8-4E2A-4814-9F61-A66F3AB5603D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,
keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?

this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
proposal is success!

J

pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
>
> Dear Caner
>
> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024
>
> Best regards
> ______
> Steven
>
> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>
> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>
> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
>
> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
>
> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
>
> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
>
> We hope we can apply for next years.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
>
> Istanbul Technical University
>
> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jachym.cepicky at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 07:16:01 2019
From: jachym.cepicky at gmail.com (Jachym Cepicky)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:16:01 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>
Message-ID: <CAAZUH4G=h+nh-h-BCjA34k0KHA4x9u4NNy4DAfegSPzj9SKdUw@mail.gmail.com>

No offence

I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe

please understand this as my English shortage

J

pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
<bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
>
> I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
>
> Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
>
> Please.
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> > keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
> >
> > this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
> > proposal is success!
> >
> > J
> >
> > pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
> >>
> >> Dear Caner
> >>
> >> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> ______
> >> Steven
> >>
> >> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
> >>
> >> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
> >>
> >> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
> >>
> >> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
> >>
> >> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
> >>
> >> We hope we can apply for next years.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your understanding.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
> >>
> >> Istanbul Technical University
> >>
> >> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jachym Cepicky
> > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> > URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> > GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> > _______________________________________________
> > Conference_dev mailing list
> > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev



-- 
Jachym Cepicky
e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
URL: http://les-ejk.cz
GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp

From bartvde at osgis.nl  Fri Nov 22 06:57:59 2019
From: bartvde at osgis.nl (Bart van den Eijnden)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 15:57:59 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>

I think you should rephrase this Jachym.

Other than Europe and North America is not third world.

Please.

Best regards,
Bart

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
> 
> this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
> proposal is success!
> 
> J
> 
> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
>> 
>> Dear Caner
>> 
>> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024
>> 
>> Best regards
>> ______
>> Steven
>> 
>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>> 
>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>> 
>> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
>> 
>> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
>> 
>> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
>> 
>> We hope we can apply for next years.
>> 
>> Thank you for your understanding.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
>> 
>> Istanbul Technical University
>> 
>> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jachym Cepicky
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From malena.libman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 09:00:53 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:00:53 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAAZUH4G=h+nh-h-BCjA34k0KHA4x9u4NNy4DAfegSPzj9SKdUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>
 <CAAZUH4G=h+nh-h-BCjA34k0KHA4x9u4NNy4DAfegSPzj9SKdUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyHoKjHgVCtF+eOdzjy9FzhsbD8zMJHko8Wcj3o12u2TE4XRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all!

We have been putting a lot of energy into our proposal and we are really
sad Istanbul is not going to make it. We were really looking forward to
some healthy competition, something we feel makes us better.

We set ourselves to build the best FOSS4G Buenos Aires can give, not
thinking that because we are a non European or North American country we
should do or offer less. .

I, personally, don't believe that the first/third world configuration is
really something we should keep using as it presents a bipolar world.

In fact, it is a very outdated and useless definition coming from the Cold
War to try to distinguish between capitalists and communist and "the rest
that didn't fit as allies", which clearly does not apply anymore.

Lastly, some of the BALOC is gathering tonight to send together the amazing
proposal we build for this Bid, we hope you read in the document the love
we put in and how much we want to be the hosts of the 2021 international
FOSS4G.

Best regards,

Malena Libman

El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> No offence
>
> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
>
> please understand this as my English shortage
>
> J
>
> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
> >
> > I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
> >
> > Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
> >
> > Please.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bart
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > > keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
> > >
> > > this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
> > > proposal is success!
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
> napsal:
> > >>
> > >> Dear Caner
> > >>
> > >> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong
> competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a
> proposal from Istanbul in 2024
> > >>
> > >> Best regards
> > >> ______
> > >> Steven
> > >>
> > >> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
> > >>
> > >> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
> > >>
> > >> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
> > >>
> > >> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the
> second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
> > >>
> > >> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
> > >>
> > >> We hope we can apply for next years.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your understanding.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
> > >>
> > >> Istanbul Technical University
> > >>
> > >> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jachym Cepicky
> > > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> > > URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> > > GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Conference_dev mailing list
> > > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
>
>
> --
> Jachym Cepicky
> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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From eadam at co.lincoln.or.us  Fri Nov 22 09:14:34 2019
From: eadam at co.lincoln.or.us (Eli Adam)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:14:34 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
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References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
>
> I, personally, don't believe that the first/third world configuration is really something we should keep using as it presents a bipolar world.

This is not the language of the conference committee.

In a previous thread,
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2017-February/004308.html
, the best we came up with was "Other regions."  I think that the
conference committee is open for other suggestions or input as well.
What do you think of "Europe, North America, and Other regions?"

Best regards, Eli

>
> In fact, it is a very outdated and useless definition coming from the Cold War to try to distinguish between capitalists and communist and "the rest that didn't fit as allies", which clearly does not apply anymore.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Malena Libman
>
> El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>) escribió:
>>
>> No offence
>>
>> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
>> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
>>
>> please understand this as my English shortage
>>
>> J
>>
>> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
>> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
>> >
>> > I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
>> >
>> > Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
>> >
>> > Please.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Bart
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Guys,
>> > > keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
>> > >
>> > > this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
>> > > proposal is success!
>> > >
>> > > J
>> > >
>> > > pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Caner
>> > >>
>> > >> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards
>> > >> ______
>> > >> Steven
>> > >>
>> > >> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>> > >>
>> > >> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>> > >>
>> > >> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
>> > >>
>> > >> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
>> > >>
>> > >> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
>> > >>
>> > >> We hope we can apply for next years.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you for your understanding.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
>> > >>
>> > >> Istanbul Technical University
>> > >>
>> > >> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
>> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
>> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jachym Cepicky
>> > > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>> > > URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>> > > GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Conference_dev mailing list
>> > > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jachym Cepicky
>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From markiliffe at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 09:16:04 2019
From: markiliffe at gmail.com (Mark Iliffe)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:16:04 -0500
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKjHgVCtF+eOdzjy9FzhsbD8zMJHko8Wcj3o12u2TE4XRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Malena, Caner, All,

As the co-Chair of the Dar es Saalam 2018 committee I'd like to offer my
thanks to you both for pushing forward. It is critical that this community
realises new frontiers, to establish communities of practice, and
ultimately raise the geospatial capacity within their countries. I see the
effect that Dar es Salaam had on energising the region, and one that has a
clear resonance today. Regardless where the conference is to be held in
2021, taking it this far is an immense achievement that should be commended.

I look forward to seeing you in 2021, wherever that may be.

Cheers,

Mark

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 12:01, Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> We have been putting a lot of energy into our proposal and we are really
> sad Istanbul is not going to make it. We were really looking forward to
> some healthy competition, something we feel makes us better.
>
> We set ourselves to build the best FOSS4G Buenos Aires can give, not
> thinking that because we are a non European or North American country we
> should do or offer less. .
>
> I, personally, don't believe that the first/third world configuration is
> really something we should keep using as it presents a bipolar world.
>
> In fact, it is a very outdated and useless definition coming from the Cold
> War to try to distinguish between capitalists and communist and "the rest
> that didn't fit as allies", which clearly does not apply anymore.
>
> Lastly, some of the BALOC is gathering tonight to send together the
> amazing proposal we build for this Bid, we hope you read in the document
> the love we put in and how much we want to be the hosts of the 2021
> international FOSS4G.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Malena Libman
>
> El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<
> jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>) escribió:
>
>> No offence
>>
>> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
>> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
>>
>> please understand this as my English shortage
>>
>> J
>>
>> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
>> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
>> >
>> > I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
>> >
>> > Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
>> >
>> > Please.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Bart
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Guys,
>> > > keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
>> > >
>> > > this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
>> > > proposal is success!
>> > >
>> > > J
>> > >
>> > > pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <
>> shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Caner
>> > >>
>> > >> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong
>> competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a
>> proposal from Istanbul in 2024
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards
>> > >> ______
>> > >> Steven
>> > >>
>> > >> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>> > >>
>> > >> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>> > >>
>> > >> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
>> > >>
>> > >> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the
>> second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
>> > >>
>> > >> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
>> > >>
>> > >> We hope we can apply for next years.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you for your understanding.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
>> > >>
>> > >> Istanbul Technical University
>> > >>
>> > >> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
>> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
>> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jachym Cepicky
>> > > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>> > > URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>> > > GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Conference_dev mailing list
>> > > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jachym Cepicky
>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
> _______________________________________________
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From malena.libman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 09:23:48 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:23:48 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
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I think Other regions is as good as it gets!

El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 14:14, Eli Adam (<eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>)
escribió:

> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> >
> > I, personally, don't believe that the first/third world configuration is
> really something we should keep using as it presents a bipolar world.
>
> This is not the language of the conference committee.
>
> In a previous thread,
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2017-February/004308.html
> , the best we came up with was "Other regions."  I think that the
> conference committee is open for other suggestions or input as well.
> What do you think of "Europe, North America, and Other regions?"
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
> >
> > In fact, it is a very outdated and useless definition coming from the
> Cold War to try to distinguish between capitalists and communist and "the
> rest that didn't fit as allies", which clearly does not apply anymore.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Malena Libman
> >
> > El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<
> jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>) escribió:
> >>
> >> No offence
> >>
> >> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
> >> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
> >>
> >> please understand this as my English shortage
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
> >> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
> >> >
> >> > I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
> >> >
> >> > Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
> >> >
> >> > Please.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Bart
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Guys,
> >> > > keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
> >> > >
> >> > > this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
> >> > > proposal is success!
> >> > >
> >> > > J
> >> > >
> >> > > pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <
> shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear Caner
> >> > >>
> >> > >> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong
> competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a
> proposal from Istanbul in 2024
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best regards
> >> > >> ______
> >> > >> Steven
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the
> second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We hope we can apply for next years.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thank you for your understanding.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best regards,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Istanbul Technical University
> >> > >>
> >> > >> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Jachym Cepicky
> >> > > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> >> > > URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> >> > > GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Conference_dev mailing list
> >> > > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jachym Cepicky
> >> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> >> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> >> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Conference_dev mailing list
> > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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From eadam at co.lincoln.or.us  Fri Nov 22 09:24:14 2019
From: eadam at co.lincoln.or.us (Eli Adam)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:24:14 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKjHgVCtF+eOdzjy9FzhsbD8zMJHko8Wcj3o12u2TE4XRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>
 <CAAZUH4G=h+nh-h-BCjA34k0KHA4x9u4NNy4DAfegSPzj9SKdUw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKjHgVCtF+eOdzjy9FzhsbD8zMJHko8Wcj3o12u2TE4XRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACqBkM9kfXn+6+B1ic_pgjNpJmDDU-bbC-8w3UBtQ=WoC5bANg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Malena and BALOC,

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> We have been putting a lot of energy into our proposal and we are really sad Istanbul is not going to make it. We were really looking forward to some healthy competition, something we feel makes us better.

Reviewing the process,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process, indicates that
things proceed as usual.

>
> We set ourselves to build the best FOSS4G Buenos Aires can give, not thinking that because we are a non European or North American country we should do or offer less. .
>
>
> Lastly, some of the BALOC is gathering tonight to send together the amazing proposal we build for this Bid, we hope you read in the document the love we put in and how much we want to be the hosts of the 2021 international FOSS4G.
>

You will still need to send an amazing proposal and expect that your
proposal will receive full questioning and scrutiny.  Please be
responsive and answer and detail information requested.  It is not a
forgone conclusion that BALOC will be selected.  If BALOC presents an
amazing proposal (that holds up to rigorous scrutiny, has no major
flaws, and is responsive to input), then there is a good chance that
BALOC will be selected.

Good luck finishing your proposal.

Best regards, Eli


> Best regards,
>
> Malena Libman
>
> El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>) escribió:
>>
>> No offence
>>
>> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
>> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
>>
>> please understand this as my English shortage
>>
>> J
>>
>> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
>> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
>> >
>> > I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
>> >
>> > Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
>> >
>> > Please.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Bart
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Guys,
>> > > keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
>> > >
>> > > this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
>> > > proposal is success!
>> > >
>> > > J
>> > >
>> > > pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Caner
>> > >>
>> > >> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards
>> > >> ______
>> > >> Steven
>> > >>
>> > >> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>> > >>
>> > >> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>> > >>
>> > >> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
>> > >>
>> > >> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
>> > >>
>> > >> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
>> > >>
>> > >> We hope we can apply for next years.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you for your understanding.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
>> > >>
>> > >> Istanbul Technical University
>> > >>
>> > >> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
>> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
>> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jachym Cepicky
>> > > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>> > > URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>> > > GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Conference_dev mailing list
>> > > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jachym Cepicky
>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From malena.libman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 09:35:51 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:35:51 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <CACqBkM9kfXn+6+B1ic_pgjNpJmDDU-bbC-8w3UBtQ=WoC5bANg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>
 <CAAZUH4G=h+nh-h-BCjA34k0KHA4x9u4NNy4DAfegSPzj9SKdUw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALyHoKjj4NiU6NDckA2Yf1G9zuDwqdvHyzGDS6mzw9OAsKD1Uw@mail.gmail.com>

That is a given! We are ready to answer as quickly as possible all
questions and requests needed to evaluate us as any other proposal, even if
we are the only ones.

Cheers

Malena

El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 14:24, Eli Adam (<eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>)
escribió:

> Hi Malena and BALOC,
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all!
> >
> > We have been putting a lot of energy into our proposal and we are really
> sad Istanbul is not going to make it. We were really looking forward to
> some healthy competition, something we feel makes us better.
>
> Reviewing the process,
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process, indicates that
> things proceed as usual.
>
> >
> > We set ourselves to build the best FOSS4G Buenos Aires can give, not
> thinking that because we are a non European or North American country we
> should do or offer less. .
> >
> >
> > Lastly, some of the BALOC is gathering tonight to send together the
> amazing proposal we build for this Bid, we hope you read in the document
> the love we put in and how much we want to be the hosts of the 2021
> international FOSS4G.
> >
>
> You will still need to send an amazing proposal and expect that your
> proposal will receive full questioning and scrutiny.  Please be
> responsive and answer and detail information requested.  It is not a
> forgone conclusion that BALOC will be selected.  If BALOC presents an
> amazing proposal (that holds up to rigorous scrutiny, has no major
> flaws, and is responsive to input), then there is a good chance that
> BALOC will be selected.
>
> Good luck finishing your proposal.
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
>
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Malena Libman
> >
> > El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<
> jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>) escribió:
> >>
> >> No offence
> >>
> >> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
> >> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
> >>
> >> please understand this as my English shortage
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
> >> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
> >> >
> >> > I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
> >> >
> >> > Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
> >> >
> >> > Please.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Bart
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Guys,
> >> > > keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
> >> > >
> >> > > this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
> >> > > proposal is success!
> >> > >
> >> > > J
> >> > >
> >> > > pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <
> shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear Caner
> >> > >>
> >> > >> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong
> competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a
> proposal from Istanbul in 2024
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best regards
> >> > >> ______
> >> > >> Steven
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the
> second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> We hope we can apply for next years.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thank you for your understanding.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best regards,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Istanbul Technical University
> >> > >>
> >> > >> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> > >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Jachym Cepicky
> >> > > e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> >> > > URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> >> > > GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Conference_dev mailing list
> >> > > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jachym Cepicky
> >> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
> >> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
> >> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Conference_dev mailing list
> >> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Conference_dev mailing list
> > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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From malena.libman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 15:32:37 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 20:32:37 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear conference committee,

We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of the
world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.

Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the letters
of support. The budget will be sent privately.

Cheers

Malena & María


 Proposal - English.pdf
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>

 Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
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From till.adams at fossgis.de  Fri Nov 22 22:01:31 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 07:01:31 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <CACqBkM9kfXn+6+B1ic_pgjNpJmDDU-bbC-8w3UBtQ=WoC5bANg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>
 <CAAZUH4G=h+nh-h-BCjA34k0KHA4x9u4NNy4DAfegSPzj9SKdUw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKjHgVCtF+eOdzjy9FzhsbD8zMJHko8Wcj3o12u2TE4XRA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <c3715e9e-c938-420e-0ab0-cab0cbe2ca7a@fossgis.de>

Hi,

I think we make a useless discussion. Jachym excused himself for using
the wrong term and in OSGeo it's been usus for a long time that we say
"other regions".

So let's concentrate on a fair evaluation process for the BA bid.

Till


Am 22.11.19 um 18:24 schrieb Eli Adam:
> Hi Malena and BALOC,
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello all!
>>
>> We have been putting a lot of energy into our proposal and we are really sad Istanbul is not going to make it. We were really looking forward to some healthy competition, something we feel makes us better.
> Reviewing the process,
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process, indicates that
> things proceed as usual.
>
>> We set ourselves to build the best FOSS4G Buenos Aires can give, not thinking that because we are a non European or North American country we should do or offer less. .
>>
>>
>> Lastly, some of the BALOC is gathering tonight to send together the amazing proposal we build for this Bid, we hope you read in the document the love we put in and how much we want to be the hosts of the 2021 international FOSS4G.
>>
> You will still need to send an amazing proposal and expect that your
> proposal will receive full questioning and scrutiny.  Please be
> responsive and answer and detail information requested.  It is not a
> forgone conclusion that BALOC will be selected.  If BALOC presents an
> amazing proposal (that holds up to rigorous scrutiny, has no major
> flaws, and is responsive to input), then there is a good chance that
> BALOC will be selected.
>
> Good luck finishing your proposal.
>
> Best regards, Eli
>
>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Malena Libman
>>
>> El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>) escribió:
>>> No offence
>>>
>>> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
>>> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
>>>
>>> please understand this as my English shortage
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
>>>> I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
>>>>
>>>> Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
>>>>
>>>> Please.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Bart
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>> keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
>>>>>
>>>>> this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
>>>>> proposal is success!
>>>>>
>>>>> J
>>>>>
>>>>> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
>>>>>> Dear Caner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> ______
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We hope we can apply for next years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your understanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Istanbul Technical University
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jachym Cepicky
>>>>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>>>>> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>>>>> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>>>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jachym Cepicky
>>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>>> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>>> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From till.adams at fossgis.de  Sat Nov 23 01:15:01 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:15:01 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c50cb01a-9077-21e5-1362-34832213edc2@fossgis.de>

Dear Maria and Melina,

we grateful received your proposal in time. Thanks for this and good
luck for the next stage!

Till


Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
> Dear conference committee,
>
> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of
> the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>
> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the
> letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>
> Cheers
>
> Malena & María
>
>
>  Proposal - English.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>
>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
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From till.adams at fossgis.de  Sat Nov 23 01:25:03 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:25:03 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfeeee3a-5428-d066-d650-52309478f6c3@fossgis.de>

Dear CC!

We have to work! Please read the proposal of the Buenos Aires Team
carefully and ask questions until 06th of December, due to our schedule
on [1].

It would be great, if we put the questions and answers directly to the
WIKI [2].


Can anyone in CC copy the proposal to [3] (I am only on phone for today)
and link to them on [1] ?

Regards & habve a nice weekend!

Till


[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process

[2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires

[3] https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/

Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
> Dear conference committee,
>
> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of
> the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>
> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the
> letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>
> Cheers
>
> Malena & María
>
>
>  Proposal - English.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>
>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
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From jonathan-lists at lightpear.com  Sat Nov 23 06:36:47 2019
From: jonathan-lists at lightpear.com (Jonathan Moules)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:36:47 +0000
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <bfeeee3a-5428-d066-d650-52309478f6c3@fossgis.de>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bfeeee3a-5428-d066-d650-52309478f6c3@fossgis.de>
Message-ID: <49c171de-cdc5-a2a9-c7cd-51b2b5b02931@lightpear.com>

Thanks Malena,

Questions added to the wiki:

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires

Nice idea on the language thing and the badges.

Cheers,

Jonathan



On 2019-11-23 09:25, Till Adams wrote:
> Dear CC!
>
> We have to work! Please read the proposal of the Buenos Aires Team
> carefully and ask questions until 06th of December, due to our schedule
> on [1].
>
> It would be great, if we put the questions and answers directly to the
> WIKI [2].
>
>
> Can anyone in CC copy the proposal to [3] (I am only on phone for today)
> and link to them on [1] ?
>
> Regards & habve a nice weekend!
>
> Till
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process
>
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires
>
> [3] https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/
>
> Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
>> Dear conference committee,
>>
>> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
>> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of
>> the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>>
>> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the
>> letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Malena & María
>>
>>
>>   Proposal - English.pdf
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>>
>>   Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
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From malena.libman at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 13:02:43 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:02:43 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKjMAeoJFpD0RD=f7fHHUkoyU_Q2=Bu05tqB0bMH8d3PJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bfeeee3a-5428-d066-d650-52309478f6c3@fossgis.de>
 <49c171de-cdc5-a2a9-c7cd-51b2b5b02931@lightpear.com>
 <CALyHoKjMAeoJFpD0RD=f7fHHUkoyU_Q2=Bu05tqB0bMH8d3PJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyHoKjz-iJTQ4o74RaAki=atF4rr1vvr2xLBBU_NXergy9cbw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Jonathan and CC,

Please find the answers to the questions in the Q&A page.

Cheers,

Malena

El sáb., 23 nov. 2019 a las 13:04, Malena Libman (<malena.libman at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> thank you for your questions.
>
> We are currently working in answering each one conscientiously. Will
> upload the answers soon.
>
> Cheers
>
> Malena
>
> El sáb., 23 nov. 2019 a las 11:54, Jonathan Moules (<
> jonathan-lists at lightpear.com>) escribió:
>
>> Thanks Malena,
>>
>> Questions added to the wiki:
>>
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires
>>
>> Nice idea on the language thing and the badges.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2019-11-23 09:25, Till Adams wrote:
>>
>> Dear CC!
>>
>> We have to work! Please read the proposal of the Buenos Aires Team
>> carefully and ask questions until 06th of December, due to our schedule
>> on [1].
>>
>> It would be great, if we put the questions and answers directly to the
>> WIKI [2].
>>
>>
>> Can anyone in CC copy the proposal to [3] (I am only on phone for today)
>> and link to them on [1] ?
>>
>> Regards & habve a nice weekend!
>>
>> Till
>>
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process
>>
>> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires
>>
>> [3] https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/
>>
>> Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
>>
>> Dear conference committee,
>>
>> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
>> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of
>> the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>>
>> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the
>> letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Malena & María
>>
>>
>>  Proposal - English.pdf<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>>
>>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing listConference_dev at lists.osgeo.orghttps://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
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From jonathan-lists at lightpear.com  Sun Nov 24 09:40:12 2019
From: jonathan-lists at lightpear.com (Jonathan Moules)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:40:12 +0000
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKjz-iJTQ4o74RaAki=atF4rr1vvr2xLBBU_NXergy9cbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bfeeee3a-5428-d066-d650-52309478f6c3@fossgis.de>
 <49c171de-cdc5-a2a9-c7cd-51b2b5b02931@lightpear.com>
 <CALyHoKjMAeoJFpD0RD=f7fHHUkoyU_Q2=Bu05tqB0bMH8d3PJQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKjz-iJTQ4o74RaAki=atF4rr1vvr2xLBBU_NXergy9cbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fdc9654d-90cf-4aea-7103-c738bd443981@lightpear.com>

Hi Malena,
Thank you for your prompt responses. Apologies, maybe I wasn't clear on 
a couple of them, so I've sought to clarify and added three followup 
questions to the end.

Thanks,
Jonathan

On 2019-11-23 21:02, Malena Libman wrote:
> Dear Jonathan and CC,
>
> Please find the answers to the questions in the Q&A page.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malena
>
> El sáb., 23 nov. 2019 a las 13:04, Malena Libman (<malena.libman at gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> Hi Jonathan,
>>
>> thank you for your questions.
>>
>> We are currently working in answering each one conscientiously. Will
>> upload the answers soon.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Malena
>>
>> El sáb., 23 nov. 2019 a las 11:54, Jonathan Moules (<
>> jonathan-lists at lightpear.com>) escribió:
>>
>>> Thanks Malena,
>>>
>>> Questions added to the wiki:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires
>>>
>>> Nice idea on the language thing and the badges.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-11-23 09:25, Till Adams wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear CC!
>>>
>>> We have to work! Please read the proposal of the Buenos Aires Team
>>> carefully and ask questions until 06th of December, due to our schedule
>>> on [1].
>>>
>>> It would be great, if we put the questions and answers directly to the
>>> WIKI [2].
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone in CC copy the proposal to [3] (I am only on phone for today)
>>> and link to them on [1] ?
>>>
>>> Regards & habve a nice weekend!
>>>
>>> Till
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process
>>>
>>> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires
>>>
>>> [3] https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/
>>>
>>> Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
>>>
>>> Dear conference committee,
>>>
>>> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
>>> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of
>>> the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>>>
>>> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the
>>> letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Malena & María
>>>
>>>
>>>   Proposal - English.pdf<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>>>
>>>   Proposal_Annex - English.pdf<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Conference_dev mailing listConference_dev at lists.osgeo.orghttps://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Conference_dev mailing list
>>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>



From eadam at co.lincoln.or.us  Sun Nov 24 12:27:04 2019
From: eadam at co.lincoln.or.us (Eli Adam)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:27:04 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <bfeeee3a-5428-d066-d650-52309478f6c3@fossgis.de>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <bfeeee3a-5428-d066-d650-52309478f6c3@fossgis.de>
Message-ID: <CACqBkM9EROmg4R5JUqy1Q6+rT219sb4AnNGqOY_9xaYKWtXbQA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 1:25 AM Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:
>
> Dear CC!
>
> We have to work! Please read the proposal of the Buenos Aires Team carefully and ask questions until 06th of December, due to our schedule on [1].
>
> It would be great, if we put the questions and answers directly to the WIKI [2].
>
>
> Can anyone in CC copy the proposal to [3] (I am only on phone for today) and link to them on [1] ?

I put them here, https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/proposals/2021/
which is more keeping with how the files have been organized in the
past.  https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/changeset/12770/

I linked them to the wiki as well.

Best regards, Eli

>
> Regards & habve a nice weekend!
>
> Till
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process
>
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires
>
> [3] https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/rfp/2021/
        https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/proposals/2021/

>
> Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
>
> Dear conference committee,
>
> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>
> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>
> Cheers
>
> Malena & María
>
>
>  Proposal - English.pdf
>
>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From eadam at co.lincoln.or.us  Sun Nov 24 12:36:38 2019
From: eadam at co.lincoln.or.us (Eli Adam)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:36:38 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] call for volunteers - document management
Message-ID: <CACqBkM8U1sXx=VOxWtmgwBLcy5T6gDXiJgvcBMbbWeyLUYE4Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi conference committee,

Much of the document management of committee documents in SVN version
control has been done by me for the last few years.  I enjoy
contributing this and am happy to help.  Someday, I hope to leave the
conference committee and make room for other ideas and new leaders.

Is there anyone who would like to do document management?  This
involves about 12 SVN commits a year and another 12 wiki edits.  I'm
happy to set you up with the rights to SVN and the wiki and help with
the basics of SVN.

Is there anyone who would like to do document management if the
version control were something other than SVN?  If so, which version
control would you prefer?  If git, would that be github or OSGeo's
gitea instance or something else?

Thanks, Eli

From jachym.cepicky at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 23:35:26 2019
From: jachym.cepicky at gmail.com (Jachym Cepicky)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:35:26 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021
In-Reply-To: <c3715e9e-c938-420e-0ab0-cab0cbe2ca7a@fossgis.de>
References: <CAAZUH4HMMd5H5yZJoFgk9Rs7kT_38DHMbObkORYYpjp=a19pWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3D62ECED-5C48-4476-B423-9229240C6C6E@osgis.nl>
 <CAAZUH4G=h+nh-h-BCjA34k0KHA4x9u4NNy4DAfegSPzj9SKdUw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKjHgVCtF+eOdzjy9FzhsbD8zMJHko8Wcj3o12u2TE4XRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACqBkM9kfXn+6+B1ic_pgjNpJmDDU-bbC-8w3UBtQ=WoC5bANg@mail.gmail.com>
 <c3715e9e-c938-420e-0ab0-cab0cbe2ca7a@fossgis.de>
Message-ID: <CAAZUH4FKq68XmP2ZmsejeZrOMoTKRhQ0BY0k+AvHLgLOcNU5NA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Till,

just to formulate it more precisely: my apologise for using the wrong
term. It just picked the first one, which came to my mind. Of course I
agree, that "other regions" is the more proper term. I was not
describing any economical nor political parts of world.

My point was: as long as there is single successful proposal, it's enough.

Cheers

Jachym

so 23. 11. 2019 v 7:01 odesílatel Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> napsal:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think we make a useless discussion. Jachym excused himself for using
> the wrong term and in OSGeo it's been usus for a long time that we say
> "other regions".
>
> So let's concentrate on a fair evaluation process for the BA bid.
>
> Till
>
>
> Am 22.11.19 um 18:24 schrieb Eli Adam:
> > Hi Malena and BALOC,
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hello all!
> >>
> >> We have been putting a lot of energy into our proposal and we are really sad Istanbul is not going to make it. We were really looking forward to some healthy competition, something we feel makes us better.
> > Reviewing the process,
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process, indicates that
> > things proceed as usual.
> >
> >> We set ourselves to build the best FOSS4G Buenos Aires can give, not thinking that because we are a non European or North American country we should do or offer less. .
> >>
> >>
> >> Lastly, some of the BALOC is gathering tonight to send together the amazing proposal we build for this Bid, we hope you read in the document the love we put in and how much we want to be the hosts of the 2021 international FOSS4G.
> >>
> > You will still need to send an amazing proposal and expect that your
> > proposal will receive full questioning and scrutiny.  Please be
> > responsive and answer and detail information requested.  It is not a
> > forgone conclusion that BALOC will be selected.  If BALOC presents an
> > amazing proposal (that holds up to rigorous scrutiny, has no major
> > flaws, and is responsive to input), then there is a good chance that
> > BALOC will be selected.
> >
> > Good luck finishing your proposal.
> >
> > Best regards, Eli
> >
> >
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Malena Libman
> >>
> >> El vie., 22 nov. 2019 a las 12:16, Jachym Cepicky (<jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>) escribió:
> >>> No offence
> >>>
> >>> I come from country, which loves to describe itself as central Europe,
> >>> while everybody else is calling it eastern Europe
> >>>
> >>> please understand this as my English shortage
> >>>
> >>> J
> >>>
> >>> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:57 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
> >>> <bartvde at osgis.nl> napsal:
> >>>> I think you should rephrase this Jachym.
> >>>>
> >>>> Other than Europe and North America is not third world.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> Bart
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 22 Nov 2019, at 15:46, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Guys,
> >>>>> keep calm. Remember 2012 and China bit?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> this is ok, since 2021 is the "3rd world" year, I serious successful
> >>>>> proposal is success!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> J
> >>>>>
> >>>>> pá 22. 11. 2019 v 15:16 odesílatel Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> napsal:
> >>>>>> Dear Caner
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That is a great shame, we were looking forward to a strong competition for 2021. Thank you for your effort up to now. I hope to see  a proposal from Istanbul in 2024
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards
> >>>>>> ______
> >>>>>> Steven
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Caner Guney <guneycan at itu.edu.tr> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Members of OSGeo Conference Committee,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I regretfully inform you that we will not be able to apply for the second stage of FOSS4G 2021 for some reasons.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We're really sorry about the problems we caused.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We hope we can apply for next years.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for your understanding.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Asst. Prof. Dr. Caner Guney
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Istanbul Technical University
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <nagojkhcjeoijbgm.png>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
> >>>>>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Conference_dev mailing list
> >>>>>> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> >>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Jachym Cepicky
> >>>>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
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From shfeldman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 06:45:39 2019
From: shfeldman at gmail.com (Steven Feldman)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:45:39 +0000
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <726BFAB7-1C26-41ED-A260-D8017610BD1A@gmail.com>

Malena

Thanks for your great proposal. Lot's of exciting ideas which I welcome. I'd like to focus on the financial stuff (as usual for me!) - also posted at https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q&A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires>
You have asked for a $60k advance from OSGeo, normally we have limited our advance to $40k, can you provide some more detail on why you need a larger advance and the timing of the cash outflows?
Are you also seeking any further guarantees or underwriting from OSGeo?
If you request an advance from OSGeo the norm is that at least 80% of the surplus from your event is returned to OSGeo, your proposal only returns 30% to OSGeo. This is a substantial change which would need to be approved by the Board if recommended by CC, can you explain why such a low %age should be accepted?
Your projected surpluses are on the low side, whilst I appreciate your low ticket prices, I wonder whether you can afford to charge a little more and possibly reduce the early bird discount to a consistent 20% (particularly for what you define as International) as a way of increasing your surplus and providing a safety net?
I love the low prices that you are proposing and the option to top up pricing for those who can afford more, perhaps you could phrase this in a slightly different way by quoting higher prices and allowing those who need to self declare for a discount with the lowest price being your current rates? This could work well for corporates who may not respond well to a request to top up but could voluntarily exclude from an "in need" discount.
I did not see any explicit mention of video recording or streaming. What are your plans and are they fully costed in your budget?

May the FOSS be with you
______
Steven

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> On 22 Nov 2019, at 23:32, Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear conference committee,
> 
> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
> 
> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Malena & María
> 
> 
>  Proposal - English.pdf <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
> 
>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
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From shfeldman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 06:46:25 2019
From: shfeldman at gmail.com (Steven Feldman)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:46:25 +0000
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <c50cb01a-9077-21e5-1362-34832213edc2@fossgis.de>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <c50cb01a-9077-21e5-1362-34832213edc2@fossgis.de>
Message-ID: <9FADDE7F-D7F2-47CB-84D6-65E92436022D@gmail.com>

Till

Can you share the full budget spreadsheet with the voting members?
______
Steven

Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org <http://mappery.org/>

Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild <http://eepurl.com/dKStT-/>” newsletter

> On 23 Nov 2019, at 09:25, Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:
> 
> Dear Maria and Melina,
> 
> we grateful received your proposal in time. Thanks for this and good luck for the next stage!
> 
> Till
> 
> 
> 
> Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
>> Dear conference committee,
>> 
>> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>> 
>> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Malena & María
>> 
>> 
>>  Proposal - English.pdf <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>> 
>>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
> _______________________________________________
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From till.adams at fossgis.de  Mon Nov 25 06:53:43 2019
From: till.adams at fossgis.de (Till Adams)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:53:43 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <9FADDE7F-D7F2-47CB-84D6-65E92436022D@gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <c50cb01a-9077-21e5-1362-34832213edc2@fossgis.de>
 <9FADDE7F-D7F2-47CB-84D6-65E92436022D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d689571-6aa2-c2b3-a797-b699ce4e338f@fossgis.de>

sorry, /done.

Till


Am 25.11.19 um 15:46 schrieb Steven Feldman:
> Till
>
> Can you share the full budget spreadsheet with the voting members?
> ______
> Steven
>
> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org <http://mappery.org>
>
> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild <http://eepurl.com/dKStT-/>”
> newsletter
>
>> On 23 Nov 2019, at 09:25, Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de
>> <mailto:till.adams at fossgis.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Maria and Melina,
>>
>> we grateful received your proposal in time. Thanks for this and good
>> luck for the next stage!
>>
>> Till
>>
>>
>> Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
>>> Dear conference committee,
>>>
>>> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
>>> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part
>>> of the world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>>>
>>> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the
>>> letters of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Malena & María
>>>
>>>
>>>  Proposal - English.pdf
>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>>>
>>>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conference_dev mailing list
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From delawen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 06:54:52 2019
From: delawen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Mar=C3=ADa_Arias_de_Reyna?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:54:52 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <3d689571-6aa2-c2b3-a797-b699ce4e338f@fossgis.de>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <c50cb01a-9077-21e5-1362-34832213edc2@fossgis.de>
 <9FADDE7F-D7F2-47CB-84D6-65E92436022D@gmail.com>
 <3d689571-6aa2-c2b3-a797-b699ce4e338f@fossgis.de>
Message-ID: <CAERgKeD1Pha2V8Zg3+5ErpX3OUr3JjjtX2g6HaFA3FCJTpqANQ@mail.gmail.com>

That will probably answer part of your questions, but we are working on the
full answers.

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 3:53 PM Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:

> sorry, /done.
>
> Till
>
>
> Am 25.11.19 um 15:46 schrieb Steven Feldman:
>
> Till
>
> Can you share the full budget spreadsheet with the voting members?
> ______
> Steven
>
> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>
> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild <http://eepurl.com/dKStT-/>”
> newsletter
>
> On 23 Nov 2019, at 09:25, Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:
>
> Dear Maria and Melina,
>
> we grateful received your proposal in time. Thanks for this and good luck
> for the next stage!
>
> Till
>
>
> Am 23.11.19 um 00:32 schrieb Malena Libman:
>
> Dear conference committee,
>
> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of the
> world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>
> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the letters
> of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>
> Cheers
>
> Malena & María
>
>
>  Proposal - English.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>
>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
>
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From malena.libman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 10:11:41 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:11:41 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <726BFAB7-1C26-41ED-A260-D8017610BD1A@gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <726BFAB7-1C26-41ED-A260-D8017610BD1A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyHoKh3GuM2aV30JOLB4sFGrM_ZoyZu3J7tTBPNnXYNgFCaPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steven,

Thank you for your questions. Please find the answers to your questions in
the Wiki page.

Cheers

Malena

El lun., 25 nov. 2019 a las 11:45, Steven Feldman (<shfeldman at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Malena
>
> Thanks for your great proposal. Lot's of exciting ideas which I welcome.
> I'd like to focus on the financial stuff (as usual for me!) - also posted
> at https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q&A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires>
>
>    -
>       - You have asked for a $60k advance from OSGeo, normally we have
>       limited our advance to $40k, can you provide some more detail on why you
>       need a larger advance and the timing of the cash outflows?
>       - Are you also seeking any further guarantees or underwriting from
>       OSGeo?
>       - If you request an advance from OSGeo the norm is that at least
>       80% of the surplus from your event is returned to OSGeo, your proposal only
>       returns 30% to OSGeo. This is a substantial change which would need to be
>       approved by the Board if recommended by CC, can you explain why such a
>       low %age should be accepted?
>       - Your projected surpluses are on the low side, whilst I appreciate
>       your low ticket prices, I wonder whether you can afford to charge a little
>       more and possibly reduce the early bird discount to a consistent 20%
>       (particularly for what you define as International) as a way of increasing
>       your surplus and providing a safety net?
>       - I love the low prices that you are proposing and the option to
>       top up pricing for those who can afford more, perhaps you could phrase this
>       in a slightly different way by quoting higher prices and allowing those who
>       need to self declare for a discount with the lowest price being your
>       current rates? This could work well for corporates who may not respond well
>       to a request to top up but could voluntarily exclude from an "in need"
>       discount.
>       - I did not see any explicit mention of video recording or
>       streaming. What are your plans and are they fully costed in your budget?
>
>
> May the FOSS be with you
> ______
> Steven
>
> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>
> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild <http://eepurl.com/dKStT-/>”
> newsletter
>
> On 22 Nov 2019, at 23:32, Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear conference committee,
>
> We are pleased to send you the full proposal to host the FOSS4G
> International conference in 2021 in Buenos Aires, Argentina: A part of the
> world which has never seen an international FOSS4G.
>
> Please find attached: the proposal document, and the Anex with the letters
> of support. The budget will be sent privately.
>
> Cheers
>
> Malena & María
>
>
>  Proposal - English.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QHuC0MaHF3AH-9ZeXLKQC9mscNyDMMha/view?usp=drive_web>
>
>  Proposal_Annex - English.pdf
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gV-SaYla6ze6CPVvVJWn6buz0swjttv4/view?usp=drive_web>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
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From pramsey at cleverelephant.ca  Thu Nov 28 14:14:10 2019
From: pramsey at cleverelephant.ca (Paul Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:14:10 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] OS conference platform
In-Reply-To: <CACowWR0v4Tw4iTAB1RVmiBRLMZ4rt9oWMGQ6QfbNdt1S2FiHzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7AE7BD95-FCAB-49B2-96FB-A72A6A22D7EF@kartoza.com>
 <CAERgKeD7zQVRuk1qh64ex8V-bo+QE2EM6=Z=7rUWnETeVrFN0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFk2e0+W+bCSi7zjMz3j+7kChc2U49gK0P-zT=+7AtA7TmX=7A@mail.gmail.com>
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Just to close off this thread:

2020 have decided to use the hosted version of pretalx, so we are
having our cake and eating it too, in using an open source code base,
but avoiding the complexities of self-hosting. The pretalx folks have
been very accommodating to use, so with luck this arrangement can
continue on into the future.

P.

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 10:02 AM Paul Ramsey <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 10:01 AM michael terner <ternergeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That said, I firmly agree with Maria's statement that "we shouldn't force any decision over the LOCs." For example, in the Boston Conference, the Registration system and the Abstract submission/scoring system was provided by our Professional Conference Organizer at a very reasonable cost and part of the complete "package" they offered us. This saved our volunteers time and focus and it worked very well (e.g., our PCO also acted as our "bank" and the registration system they used easily integrated with their banking).
>
>
> We (2020) are currently at the pointy end of this discussion. The marketing and web folks in the LOC aren't particularly technical, so any out-of-the-usual solutions would have to be maintained for them, and they'd have to be supported on them. Right now, just getting a clean DNS/web setup is complicated, because normal people don't actually understand the difference between A records and CNAME records and what an HTTP 304 response is. I personally am avoiding over-committing, so any push to bring particular technology to bear has to also come with associated support to the LOC. "Doocracy" as Cameron says. Like, maybe for my personal use I a static web site generator and publish through 'git push' (I do), but that's not something I can direct other people to do. I am particularly loath to say "use this just-add-a-smart-person solution" when there are "just-add-money" solutions lying around, and ones they are familiar with, at that.
>
>>  As per above, this should be an LOC choice and if there is a good open source solution, and a team ready to deploy it, then more power to that team.
>
>
> A much more succinct way of saying what I said.
>
>>
>> Thanks again to the whole Bucharest team for another amazing and useful FOSS4G experience in 2019!!!
>
>
> A thousand curses on Bucharest for raising the bar so high.
>
> ATB,
>
> P

From pramsey at cleverelephant.ca  Thu Nov 28 14:14:47 2019
From: pramsey at cleverelephant.ca (Paul Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:14:47 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKh3GuM2aV30JOLB4sFGrM_ZoyZu3J7tTBPNnXYNgFCaPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <726BFAB7-1C26-41ED-A260-D8017610BD1A@gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKh3GuM2aV30JOLB4sFGrM_ZoyZu3J7tTBPNnXYNgFCaPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACowWR1C8Dm5cBkWB03k6gORHozfgON_EVb+eNVjRtJ-rupfrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
Your proposal is very nicely structured and well done!

- Your plan to scale back facilities in the event of shortfall in
registrations is wise. A question on that: what are the deadlines for
cancellations? How much of the deposit will they retain? Unfortunately you
will not have a clear feel for potential attendance until the early bird
registration period closes, which can be only a few months before the final
date. At some point, the venue will ask for full payment. Do your schedule
points for things like early bird line up with your decision points for
things like venues?

- If you'll excuse my language, the facility prices you quote seem very
"international", that is, they would be not surprising in any other major
global city. At the same time, the entry fees seem very low, compared to
the general foss4g trend. I see that the A/B and food costs are lower than
I would "expect", have those been validated in the marketplace? Generally
expensive venues have exclusive catering arrangements with firms that are
equally expensive, are you allowed to use your quoted catering in the
venues you have chosen?

- How much of your $122K in budgeted sponsorship is "sure" already? That
is, have the government corporate sponsors of this proposal made some kind
of non-binding statement of interest in sponsorship?

- Not a question, but one way of squaring the "can afford it" pricing
problem is an "individual" rate vs a "corporate" rate. The community
pgcon.org conference in Ottawa uses this construction.

Thanks again for a great proposal.

P
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From malena.libman at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 14:33:52 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:33:52 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CACowWR1C8Dm5cBkWB03k6gORHozfgON_EVb+eNVjRtJ-rupfrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKhqO2GPVWP=6SERH53oAeHPxFfU2LP6F9+DmVqiH+q2uA@mail.gmail.com>
 <726BFAB7-1C26-41ED-A260-D8017610BD1A@gmail.com>
 <CALyHoKh3GuM2aV30JOLB4sFGrM_ZoyZu3J7tTBPNnXYNgFCaPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACowWR1C8Dm5cBkWB03k6gORHozfgON_EVb+eNVjRtJ-rupfrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALyHoKjduwCCw6n82zBUcq51PGCUyfD_wss_WwHqbFtKiLnkLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

Thanks so much for your questions, we are working on the answers and will
upload them to the wiki.

cheers

Malena

El jue., 28 nov. 2019 a las 19:14, Paul Ramsey (<pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>)
escribió:

>
> Hello All,
> Your proposal is very nicely structured and well done!
>
> - Your plan to scale back facilities in the event of shortfall in
> registrations is wise. A question on that: what are the deadlines for
> cancellations? How much of the deposit will they retain? Unfortunately you
> will not have a clear feel for potential attendance until the early bird
> registration period closes, which can be only a few months before the final
> date. At some point, the venue will ask for full payment. Do your schedule
> points for things like early bird line up with your decision points for
> things like venues?
>
> - If you'll excuse my language, the facility prices you quote seem very
> "international", that is, they would be not surprising in any other major
> global city. At the same time, the entry fees seem very low, compared to
> the general foss4g trend. I see that the A/B and food costs are lower than
> I would "expect", have those been validated in the marketplace? Generally
> expensive venues have exclusive catering arrangements with firms that are
> equally expensive, are you allowed to use your quoted catering in the
> venues you have chosen?
>
> - How much of your $122K in budgeted sponsorship is "sure" already? That
> is, have the government corporate sponsors of this proposal made some kind
> of non-binding statement of interest in sponsorship?
>
> - Not a question, but one way of squaring the "can afford it" pricing
> problem is an "individual" rate vs a "corporate" rate. The community
> pgcon.org conference in Ottawa uses this construction.
>
> Thanks again for a great proposal.
>
> P
>
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From alexgleith at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 16:29:57 2019
From: alexgleith at gmail.com (Alex Leith)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 11:29:57 +1100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] OS conference platform
In-Reply-To: <CACowWR0psH9QTT3X2HGsdfQ__jffU7358JD4a4+PgZ+ZfqffXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7AE7BD95-FCAB-49B2-96FB-A72A6A22D7EF@kartoza.com>
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We used Pretalx for FOSS4G SotM Oceania, so hit us up with any questions
that might arise.

We integrated it in with our website for the program too.

On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 at 09:14, Paul Ramsey <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca> wrote:

> Just to close off this thread:
>
> 2020 have decided to use the hosted version of pretalx, so we are
> having our cake and eating it too, in using an open source code base,
> but avoiding the complexities of self-hosting. The pretalx folks have
> been very accommodating to use, so with luck this arrangement can
> continue on into the future.
>
> P.
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 10:02 AM Paul Ramsey <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 10:01 AM michael terner <ternergeo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That said, I firmly agree with Maria's statement that "we shouldn't
> force any decision over the LOCs." For example, in the Boston Conference,
> the Registration system and the Abstract submission/scoring system was
> provided by our Professional Conference Organizer at a very reasonable cost
> and part of the complete "package" they offered us. This saved our
> volunteers time and focus and it worked very well (e.g., our PCO also acted
> as our "bank" and the registration system they used easily integrated with
> their banking).
> >
> >
> > We (2020) are currently at the pointy end of this discussion. The
> marketing and web folks in the LOC aren't particularly technical, so any
> out-of-the-usual solutions would have to be maintained for them, and they'd
> have to be supported on them. Right now, just getting a clean DNS/web setup
> is complicated, because normal people don't actually understand the
> difference between A records and CNAME records and what an HTTP 304
> response is. I personally am avoiding over-committing, so any push to bring
> particular technology to bear has to also come with associated support to
> the LOC. "Doocracy" as Cameron says. Like, maybe for my personal use I a
> static web site generator and publish through 'git push' (I do), but that's
> not something I can direct other people to do. I am particularly loath to
> say "use this just-add-a-smart-person solution" when there are
> "just-add-money" solutions lying around, and ones they are familiar with,
> at that.
> >
> >>  As per above, this should be an LOC choice and if there is a good open
> source solution, and a team ready to deploy it, then more power to that
> team.
> >
> >
> > A much more succinct way of saying what I said.
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks again to the whole Bucharest team for another amazing and useful
> FOSS4G experience in 2019!!!
> >
> >
> > A thousand curses on Bucharest for raising the bar so high.
> >
> > ATB,
> >
> > P
> _______________________________________________
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From delawen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 29 04:21:10 2019
From: delawen at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Mar=C3=ADa_Arias_de_Reyna?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:21:10 +0100
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CALyHoKjduwCCw6n82zBUcq51PGCUyfD_wss_WwHqbFtKiLnkLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAERgKeB77v63jVEYhdSJ20Vxu_LQd9ksONSpkXB=wxbf8L9-dQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Questions and answers posted on the wiki page.

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:34 PM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Thanks so much for your questions, we are working on the answers and will upload them to the wiki.
>
> cheers
>
> Malena
>
> El jue., 28 nov. 2019 a las 19:14, Paul Ramsey (<pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>) escribió:
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>> Your proposal is very nicely structured and well done!
>>
>> - Your plan to scale back facilities in the event of shortfall in registrations is wise. A question on that: what are the deadlines for cancellations? How much of the deposit will they retain? Unfortunately you will not have a clear feel for potential attendance until the early bird registration period closes, which can be only a few months before the final date. At some point, the venue will ask for full payment. Do your schedule points for things like early bird line up with your decision points for things like venues?
>>
>> - If you'll excuse my language, the facility prices you quote seem very "international", that is, they would be not surprising in any other major global city. At the same time, the entry fees seem very low, compared to the general foss4g trend. I see that the A/B and food costs are lower than I would "expect", have those been validated in the marketplace? Generally expensive venues have exclusive catering arrangements with firms that are equally expensive, are you allowed to use your quoted catering in the venues you have chosen?
>>
>> - How much of your $122K in budgeted sponsorship is "sure" already? That is, have the government corporate sponsors of this proposal made some kind of non-binding statement of interest in sponsorship?
>>
>> - Not a question, but one way of squaring the "can afford it" pricing problem is an "individual" rate vs a "corporate" rate. The community pgcon.org conference in Ottawa uses this construction.
>>
>> Thanks again for a great proposal.
>>
>> P

From eadam at co.lincoln.or.us  Fri Nov 29 09:50:58 2019
From: eadam at co.lincoln.or.us (Eli Adam)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:50:58 -0800
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CAERgKeB77v63jVEYhdSJ20Vxu_LQd9ksONSpkXB=wxbf8L9-dQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALyHoKhduyONdjnswFcR5jwTf07SC_802GS8zaFDCwFOM285yg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACqBkM9Mpa_-RUy8uRcyEr1MsvpoDd3WUSU-zoBko_EnvyUaag@mail.gmail.com>

BALOC,

In the schedule it appears as if the code sprint is essentially the
same time and duration as the conference.  This is further explained
about having mentoring sessions available.

Some projects use the code sprint not only to write code but as high
bandwidth face to face interaction about making project decisions.
Finding a time that everyone can meet from a project during the
sessions could be difficult (many of these people will also be
presenting sessions).

Before eliminating the separate-day code spint, can you poll this
list, https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint ?

Maybe I've misread this, but it seems that the vast majority of the
conference (workshops, sessions) is taking place at the law school.
Is that correct?  Is the large venue being used for more than Opening,
Closing, AGM, and Lunch?  If the large venue is only being used for
Opening, Closing, AGM, and Lunch, can other venues but explored for
those functions?  Does the Law school have any larger spaces?  It
seems like a large expense and high risk for minimal use.  Maybe I've
misread it.

On the wiki in short form, here,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires#Eli_Adam

Thanks, Eli

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 4:21 AM María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Questions and answers posted on the wiki page.
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:34 PM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Thanks so much for your questions, we are working on the answers and will upload them to the wiki.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Malena
> >
> > El jue., 28 nov. 2019 a las 19:14, Paul Ramsey (<pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>) escribió:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >> Your proposal is very nicely structured and well done!
> >>
> >> - Your plan to scale back facilities in the event of shortfall in registrations is wise. A question on that: what are the deadlines for cancellations? How much of the deposit will they retain? Unfortunately you will not have a clear feel for potential attendance until the early bird registration period closes, which can be only a few months before the final date. At some point, the venue will ask for full payment. Do your schedule points for things like early bird line up with your decision points for things like venues?
> >>
> >> - If you'll excuse my language, the facility prices you quote seem very "international", that is, they would be not surprising in any other major global city. At the same time, the entry fees seem very low, compared to the general foss4g trend. I see that the A/B and food costs are lower than I would "expect", have those been validated in the marketplace? Generally expensive venues have exclusive catering arrangements with firms that are equally expensive, are you allowed to use your quoted catering in the venues you have chosen?
> >>
> >> - How much of your $122K in budgeted sponsorship is "sure" already? That is, have the government corporate sponsors of this proposal made some kind of non-binding statement of interest in sponsorship?
> >>
> >> - Not a question, but one way of squaring the "can afford it" pricing problem is an "individual" rate vs a "corporate" rate. The community pgcon.org conference in Ottawa uses this construction.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for a great proposal.
> >>
> >> P
> _______________________________________________
> Conference_dev mailing list
> Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev

From malena.libman at gmail.com  Fri Nov 29 10:15:32 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:15:32 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
In-Reply-To: <CACqBkM9Mpa_-RUy8uRcyEr1MsvpoDd3WUSU-zoBko_EnvyUaag@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Eli,

Thank you for your questions, will let you know as soon as we upload the
answers

Cheers

Malena

El vie., 29 nov. 2019 a las 14:50, Eli Adam (<eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>)
escribió:

> BALOC,
>
> In the schedule it appears as if the code sprint is essentially the
> same time and duration as the conference.  This is further explained
> about having mentoring sessions available.
>
> Some projects use the code sprint not only to write code but as high
> bandwidth face to face interaction about making project decisions.
> Finding a time that everyone can meet from a project during the
> sessions could be difficult (many of these people will also be
> presenting sessions).
>
> Before eliminating the separate-day code spint, can you poll this
> list, https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint ?
>
> Maybe I've misread this, but it seems that the vast majority of the
> conference (workshops, sessions) is taking place at the law school.
> Is that correct?  Is the large venue being used for more than Opening,
> Closing, AGM, and Lunch?  If the large venue is only being used for
> Opening, Closing, AGM, and Lunch, can other venues but explored for
> those functions?  Does the Law school have any larger spaces?  It
> seems like a large expense and high risk for minimal use.  Maybe I've
> misread it.
>
> On the wiki in short form, here,
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires#Eli_Adam
>
> Thanks, Eli
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 4:21 AM María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Questions and answers posted on the wiki page.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:34 PM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Paul,
> > >
> > > Thanks so much for your questions, we are working on the answers and
> will upload them to the wiki.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > Malena
> > >
> > > El jue., 28 nov. 2019 a las 19:14, Paul Ramsey (<
> pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>) escribió:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hello All,
> > >> Your proposal is very nicely structured and well done!
> > >>
> > >> - Your plan to scale back facilities in the event of shortfall in
> registrations is wise. A question on that: what are the deadlines for
> cancellations? How much of the deposit will they retain? Unfortunately you
> will not have a clear feel for potential attendance until the early bird
> registration period closes, which can be only a few months before the final
> date. At some point, the venue will ask for full payment. Do your schedule
> points for things like early bird line up with your decision points for
> things like venues?
> > >>
> > >> - If you'll excuse my language, the facility prices you quote seem
> very "international", that is, they would be not surprising in any other
> major global city. At the same time, the entry fees seem very low, compared
> to the general foss4g trend. I see that the A/B and food costs are lower
> than I would "expect", have those been validated in the marketplace?
> Generally expensive venues have exclusive catering arrangements with firms
> that are equally expensive, are you allowed to use your quoted catering in
> the venues you have chosen?
> > >>
> > >> - How much of your $122K in budgeted sponsorship is "sure" already?
> That is, have the government corporate sponsors of this proposal made some
> kind of non-binding statement of interest in sponsorship?
> > >>
> > >> - Not a question, but one way of squaring the "can afford it" pricing
> problem is an "individual" rate vs a "corporate" rate. The community
> pgcon.org conference in Ottawa uses this construction.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks again for a great proposal.
> > >>
> > >> P
> > _______________________________________________
> > Conference_dev mailing list
> > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>
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From jneufeld at tecterra.com  Fri Nov 29 14:14:34 2019
From: jneufeld at tecterra.com (Jonathan Neufeld)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 22:14:34 +0000
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB3219BAB946C59BE11D67E91CA8460@QB1PR01MB3219.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi All,

I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list, however I've been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.

Jeff - I'm following up again on my request to take down your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.

As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing confusion with some members of the community.

In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.

Regards,
Jon


JONATHAN NEUFELD
CO-CHAIR
FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
http://2020.foss4g.org/
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From malena.libman at gmail.com  Sat Nov 30 05:23:07 2019
From: malena.libman at gmail.com (Malena Libman)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 10:23:07 -0300
Subject: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2021 Buenos Aires BID - Full proposal
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Dear Eli and CC,

please find the answers to the latest questions in the Wiki.

Cheers

Malena

El vie., 29 nov. 2019 a las 15:15, Malena Libman (<malena.libman at gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Hi Eli,
>
> Thank you for your questions, will let you know as soon as we upload the
> answers
>
> Cheers
>
> Malena
>
> El vie., 29 nov. 2019 a las 14:50, Eli Adam (<eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>)
> escribió:
>
>> BALOC,
>>
>> In the schedule it appears as if the code sprint is essentially the
>> same time and duration as the conference.  This is further explained
>> about having mentoring sessions available.
>>
>> Some projects use the code sprint not only to write code but as high
>> bandwidth face to face interaction about making project decisions.
>> Finding a time that everyone can meet from a project during the
>> sessions could be difficult (many of these people will also be
>> presenting sessions).
>>
>> Before eliminating the separate-day code spint, can you poll this
>> list, https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/tosprint ?
>>
>> Maybe I've misread this, but it seems that the vast majority of the
>> conference (workshops, sessions) is taking place at the law school.
>> Is that correct?  Is the large venue being used for more than Opening,
>> Closing, AGM, and Lunch?  If the large venue is only being used for
>> Opening, Closing, AGM, and Lunch, can other venues but explored for
>> those functions?  Does the Law school have any larger spaces?  It
>> seems like a large expense and high risk for minimal use.  Maybe I've
>> misread it.
>>
>> On the wiki in short form, here,
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Q%26A_Stage_2_Buenos_Aires#Eli_Adam
>>
>> Thanks, Eli
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 4:21 AM María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Questions and answers posted on the wiki page.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:34 PM Malena Libman <malena.libman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Paul,
>> > >
>> > > Thanks so much for your questions, we are working on the answers and
>> will upload them to the wiki.
>> > >
>> > > cheers
>> > >
>> > > Malena
>> > >
>> > > El jue., 28 nov. 2019 a las 19:14, Paul Ramsey (<
>> pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>) escribió:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hello All,
>> > >> Your proposal is very nicely structured and well done!
>> > >>
>> > >> - Your plan to scale back facilities in the event of shortfall in
>> registrations is wise. A question on that: what are the deadlines for
>> cancellations? How much of the deposit will they retain? Unfortunately you
>> will not have a clear feel for potential attendance until the early bird
>> registration period closes, which can be only a few months before the final
>> date. At some point, the venue will ask for full payment. Do your schedule
>> points for things like early bird line up with your decision points for
>> things like venues?
>> > >>
>> > >> - If you'll excuse my language, the facility prices you quote seem
>> very "international", that is, they would be not surprising in any other
>> major global city. At the same time, the entry fees seem very low, compared
>> to the general foss4g trend. I see that the A/B and food costs are lower
>> than I would "expect", have those been validated in the marketplace?
>> Generally expensive venues have exclusive catering arrangements with firms
>> that are equally expensive, are you allowed to use your quoted catering in
>> the venues you have chosen?
>> > >>
>> > >> - How much of your $122K in budgeted sponsorship is "sure" already?
>> That is, have the government corporate sponsors of this proposal made some
>> kind of non-binding statement of interest in sponsorship?
>> > >>
>> > >> - Not a question, but one way of squaring the "can afford it"
>> pricing problem is an "individual" rate vs a "corporate" rate. The
>> community pgcon.org conference in Ottawa uses this construction.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks again for a great proposal.
>> > >>
>> > >> P
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Conference_dev mailing list
>> > Conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
>> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
>>
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