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<div>Any idea how much time putting "two three sentences" takes for > 300 abstracts?</div>
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<div>Barend</div>
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<div>On 23-05-13 14:09, "Karel Charvat" <<a href="mailto:charvat@ccss.cz">charvat@ccss.cz</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Volker,</div>
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<div>Usually it is similar on any conferences that it is done by volunteer. But</div>
<div>if there is publishing system put two three sentences and this automatically</div>
<div>distributed is not so big effort</div>
<div>Karel</div>
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<div>-----Original Message-----</div>
<div>From: Volker Mische [<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com</a>]
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<div>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:57 PM</div>
<div>To: Karel Charvat</div>
<div>Cc: 'Massimiliano Cannata'; <a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a>;</div>
<div><a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>; 'Barry Rowlingson'</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Foss4g2013] presentation selection</div>
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<div>Karel,</div>
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<div>I can again only speak of 2009, but back then the costs where there to cover</div>
<div>the venue and catering. There wasn't any money for the selection process. It</div>
<div>was mostly done in the freetime of the LOC members.</div>
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<div>I agree that it would be cool to have such a feedback, but it would need</div>
<div>volunteers to do so.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div> Volker</div>
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<div>On 05/23/2013 01:18 PM, Karel Charvat wrote:</div>
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<div>Dear Volker, dear others,</div>
<div>I start follow discussion about selection process. I have to say, that </div>
<div>I am not very satisfied with Volkers last email.</div>
<div>Why? The FOSS4G fee is comparable with the costs for large scientific </div>
<div>conferences. And usually on these conferences authors are obtaining </div>
<div>any feedback. It is help for them not only for future, but it could </div>
<div>help also in future development. I think, that all this could be done </div>
<div>automatically with publishing system. I think, that the budget for this</div>
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<div>has to be adequate.</div>
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<div>Karel</div>
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<div>[<a href="mailto:conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:conference_dev-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>] On Behalf Of Volker
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<div>Mische</div>
<div>Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:03 PM</div>
<div>To: Massimiliano Cannata</div>
<div>Cc: <a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a>>;
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<div>Barry Rowlingson</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] [Foss4g2013] presentation selection </div>
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<div>Hi Maxi,</div>
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<div>sending back the results to the authors is really a lot of work. There </div>
<div>might be abstracts which are e.g. hardly understandable English. You </div>
<div>will just drop those without actually assign any relevance to them.</div>
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<div>The time is of the LOC is really limited and making the selection </div>
<div>already takes hours (at least it was the case in 2009). Heaving even </div>
<div>more overhead would be to much.</div>
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<div>Though perhaps it would make sense to have a chance to join the </div>
<div>selection process. So people who like to help out and to a thorough </div>
<div>review can do that.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div> Volker</div>
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<div>On 05/23/2013 12:14 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:</div>
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div>I agree that votes are not a guarantee of real interest. </div>
<div>Suppose you work for a large company that submit an abstract, you </div>
<div>will easily have 100 votes of all the employees but this does not </div>
<div>mean all of them will go to the conference and that the vote was</div>
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<div>"driven".</div>
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<div>At the same time, I like open and clear evaluation criteria, this </div>
<div>avoid (or at least limit) the acceptance of talk by "friendship", </div>
<div>that also I believe occur.</div>
<div>Something like evaluation rating:</div>
<div>100 points maximum alssigned:</div>
<div>- 40 for voting rank</div>
<div>- 20 for foss4g project relevance</div>
<div>- 20 fro.... etc.</div>
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<div>All the evaluation should then be sent back to the authors.</div>
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<div>I Also would like to have some "inspiring" talk from people "outside"</div>
<div>(not only well know and great talker, than I like more content </div>
<div>respect to shows) to better understand: what others do? How do they see</div>
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<div>OSGeo?</div>
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<div>What next? etc.</div>
<div>And I would like to see rotation in successive FOSS4G as this is the </div>
<div>conference for the community, rather then for the novels to open </div>
<div>source that may have more opportunities to enter in contact with open </div>
<div>source in local events organized by local chapters... so I would like </div>
<div>to see CONTENT, NEWS, VISION rather then SHOWS and APPEAL.</div>
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<div>Of course, this is only my 2 cents... ;-)</div>
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<div>Maxi</div>
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<div>On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Volker Mische </div>
<div><<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com>">mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com></a>> wrote:</div>
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<div> Hi Bart,</div>
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<div> I didn't want to be fierce, but explaining my experience. I</div>
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<div>especially</div>
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<div> felt like replying as you gave me a reality check quite often on</div>
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<div>topics</div>
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<div> where I had a completely different view in the past.</div>
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<div> My problem with the community voting is, does it really reflect </div>
<div>what</div>
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<div> community wants? I'm not saying the community is too stupid to </div>
<div>know</div>
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<div> they really one and someone else needs to decide what's best. I think</div>
<div> the problem is the open voting. It's easy to get an bias in there.</div>
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<div>The</div>
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<div> people that actually vote is a small subset of the people that will</div>
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<div>be</div>
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<div> at the conference, but the conference should please the whole</div>
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<div> I for example prefer developer centric talks. I don't care much about</div>
<div> talks that are about "I've used this and that open source </div>
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<div> do x and y" or about INSPIRE. Though there are probably quite a few</div>
<div> people from institutions that don't yet use an open source stack </div>
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<div> goals. It would be valuable to have such presentations. This is </div>
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<div> LOC is for, they can make the call to include those as well.</div>
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<div> Another example which is a bit artificial, it's about popular</div>
<div> presenters. Let's take Paul Ramsey as an example, he's one of the</div>
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<div>best</div>
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<div> speakers I've ever been to at conferences. If he would submit 10</div>
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<div>talks,</div>
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<div> probably all of them would get voted by the community (being it due</div>
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<div> great abstracts or to know that Paul is presenting). But of course</div>
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<div>you</div>
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<div> don't want to have one person doing to many talks.</div>
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<div> And finally the problem of people trying to abuse the public vote (or</div>
<div> have friends that try it). You can filter those out sometimes, </div>
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<div>would</div>
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<div> you then publish the filtered results or the raw data?</div>
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<div> Though I think it's good to have this discussion. These thoughts have</div>
<div> previously only in my brain and never written down. So it hopefully</div>
<div> helps for future conferences to improve the process.</div>
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<div> Cheers,</div>
<div> Volker</div>
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<div> On 05/23/2013 06:51 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:</div>
<div> > Given the fierce responses, I will think twice about ever making a</div>
<div> suggestion on a selection process for FOSS4G again. Sorry to have</div>
<div> spend my time on this.</div>
<div> ></div>
<div> > Bart</div>
<div> ></div>
<div> > Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div> ></div>
<div> > On May 23, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Bruce Bannerman</div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au">B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au</a> <<a href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au>">mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au></a>> wrote:</div>
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<div> >> Thanks Volker.</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> Agreed.</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> Can I suggest that if someone believes that they have a better</div>
<div> process, that they volunteer for the LOC of the next international</div>
<div> FOSS4G conference and try it then?</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> Bruce</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> ________________________________________</div>
<div> >> From: <a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>></div>
<div> [<a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org>">mailto:foss4g2013-bounces@lists.osgeo.org></a>] On Behalf Of Volker</div>
<div> Mische [<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com">volker.mische@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com>">mailto:volker.mische@gmail.com></a>]</div>
<div> >> Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:04 AM</div>
<div> >> To: Bart van den Eijnden</div>
<div> >> Cc: <a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org">mailto:foss4g2013@lists.osgeo.org</a>>; <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org">conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org</a></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org>">mailto:conference_dev@lists.osgeo.org></a>>; Barry Rowlingson</div>
<div> >> Subject: Re: [Foss4g2013] presentation selection</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> Bart,</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> I second the approach that was used by the LOC. It's similar to</div>
<div> what was</div>
<div> >> done in 2009 (when I was part of it).</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> Barry described how they made the selection in detail. It is</div>
<div> important</div>
<div> >> that the way the decision was made is transparent, not the</div>
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<div>decisions</div>
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<div> >> themselves (it would take way to much to give a reason for </div>
<div>every</div>
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<div> >> accepted abstract).</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> The LOC should make the final call and normally it's pretty </div>
<div>close</div>
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<div> >> what the community voted for (at least that was the case in 2009).</div>
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<div> >> Cheers,</div>
<div> >> Volker</div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >></div>
<div> >> On 05/22/2013 04:58 PM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:</div>
<div> >>> Barry,</div>
<div> >>></div>
<div> >>> does this mean you don't have enough trust in the community</div>
<div> voting that</div>
<div> >>> they will filter out anything inappropriate?</div>
<div> >>></div>
<div> >>> I see this as an unnecessary and confusing step.</div>
<div> >>></div>
<div> >>> Best regards,</div>
<div> >>> Bart</div>
<div> >>></div>
<div> >>> --</div>
<div> >>> Bart van den Eijnden</div>
<div> >>> OSGIS - <a href="http://osgis.nl">http://osgis.nl</a></div>
<div> >>></div>
<div> >>> On May 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Barry Rowlingson</div>
<div> >>> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk">b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk</a></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk">mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk</a>></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk">mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk</a></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk>>">mailto:b.rowlingson@lancaster.ac.uk>></a>> wrote:</div>
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<div> >>>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Bart van den Eijnden</div>
<div> >>>> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">bartvde@osgis.nl</a> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl</a>></div>
<div> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl">mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl</a> <<a href="mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl>>">mailto:bartvde@osgis.nl>></a>> wrote:</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>>> But apparently the selection committee filtered out abstracts</div>
<div> based</div>
<div> >>>>> on the</div>
<div> >>>>> words open and or free, which seems a weird and error-prone</div>
<div> approach</div>
<div> >>>>> to me.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> We did *not* purely filter out based on words.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> We looked at the title, short abstract, and long abstract. </div>
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<div> >>>> those items we could not see a free/open-source, open-data, or</div>
<div> >>>> geospatial angle, we *thought carefully* about whether that</div>
<div> should be</div>
<div> >>>> included in the conference.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>>> My second talk was about GeoExt and since I thought since</div>
<div> everybody knows</div>
<div> >>>>> GeoExt is about open source, I did not mention those words</div>
<div> explicitly</div>
<div> >>>>> in my</div>
<div> >>>>> abstract.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> Yes, we have enough expertise on the panel to know our open</div>
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<div> >>>> packages. Anything we didn't know, we looked up. However we</div>
<div> can't look</div>
<div> >>>> up something omitted from an abstract...</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>>> Someone had a great abstract on big data, but it wasn't</div>
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<div>selected</div>
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<div> >>>>> because it can be used with both open source software and</div>
<div> closed source</div>
<div> >>>>> software, and it's not about open data specifically.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> An abstract that doesn't mention any open geospatial technology</div>
<div> could</div>
<div> >>>> well be about doing analysis in ArcGIS or Oracle Spatial. Its</div>
<div> not the</div>
<div> >>>> committee's job to second-guess the presenter or ask the</div>
<div> presenter for</div>
<div> >>>> clarification - the abstract is space enough to provide </div>
<div>clarity</div>
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<div> >>>> full details.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>>> My personal opinion is</div>
<div> >>>>> that if the general public wants to see this talk, it should</div>
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<div>not</div>
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<div> >>>>> matter if</div>
<div> >>>>> the abstract contains the words free or open.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> Again, we did not filter on the words. We took the totality </div>
<div>of</div>
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<div> >>>> submission and checked appropriateness for the Free and Open</div>
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<div> >>>> for Geospatial Conference, amongst the other criteria.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>>> Also, if this is filtering would be done, it should be done</div>
<div> *prior*</div>
<div> >>>>> to the</div>
<div> >>>>> community voting phase IMHO.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> Personal opinion: there's no point - the outcome will be the</div>
<div> same, it</div>
<div> >>>> will just require a committee to review everything before </div>
<div>and</div>
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<div> >>>> the community voting. There were very few inappropriate</div>
<div> submissions.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>>> Can the selection committee elaborate on the approach they</div>
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<div>used?</div>
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<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> I think we've discussed this at great lengths on this and other</div>
<div> >>>> mailing lists. Basically: First pass: include community vote</div>
<div> top 100.</div>
<div> >>>> Second pass: include committee vote top 100 (giving us ~130</div>
<div> included).</div>
<div> >>>> Discuss, eliminate anything inappropriate. Next pass: </div>
<div>include</div>
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<div> >>>> ranked community votes. Next: lower ranked committee votes.</div>
<div> Check for</div>
<div> >>>> multiple submissions, similarities with workshop sessions, and</div>
<div> make a</div>
<div> >>>> decision on near-duplicates (which may include rejections,</div>
<div> choices, or</div>
<div> >>>> mergers). Keep going until coffee runs out or all slots filled.</div>
<div> We did</div>
<div> >>>> not run out of coffee.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> I think fuller details will be posted to the lessons</div>
<div> learned/cookbook</div>
<div> >>>> wiki pages.</div>
<div> >>>></div>
<div> >>>> Barry</div>
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