+1 to Peter<div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Wed Jan 14 2015 at 11:25:28 odesílatel Peter Baumann <<a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>> napsal:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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hm...a little worrying how technology oriented people get ideologic.<br>
<br>
Why do I say "ideologic"?<br>
<br>
- belief structures. "One has to" and "obviously" lack a clear
subject in charge of giving the instructions (which effectively is
happening).<br>
As a consequence, someone not agreeing (read: not sharing this
belief) is subliminally put on the side of the assumed
not-so-good-doers: "Are you afraid of that commitment?"<br>
<br>
- attacking non-believers and suppressing free discussion. Examples:</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
> "more than a little annoyed that we’re even having this
conversation."<br>
<br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
- obscured authority. No institution/person/etc is named which is
responsible for requirements and soliciting actions. Citing:</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
> How do you know what’s genuinely awful and what’s “kind of
bad”?<br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
Who is the authority answering this, and doing so for the whole
planet and all its cultures?<br>
<br>
- lack of evidence. At "some" conferences "some" "incidents" are
said to have happened. Notice the 3-fold fuzziness which disallows
others to gain their own opinion and participate in discussion.
"conferences ... do not fair [ie: fare] so well" likewise excludes
communication partners from discussion as the assumed underlying
evidence is not shared.<br>
FWIW, I have attended all sorts of conferences all around this
planet for decades now and have not witnessed a single "incident"
that would require normative action.<br>
<br>
- pseudo-evidence. Examples are listed to underpin that codes of
conduct are a rulle. A clean statistical argument would indicate a
percentage of conferences. Also note this pattern: 2 conferences
have a CoC, so we must also have one, end of discussion. Next
conference: 3 conferences have a CoC, so we must also have one, end
of discussion.<br>
<br>
So, ideologic it is along the definition of Steger & James:
"Ideologies are patterned clusters of normatively imbued ideas and
concepts, including particular representations of power relations.
These conceptual maps help people navigate the complexity of their
political universe and carry claims to social truth." [1]<br>
<br>
Personally, I have an uneasy feeling going to a conference that
assumes that I (or my community, for that matter) needs tight
behavioral control. Next step is an obligatory "conduct police" that
patrols conferences to spot non-conforming behavior. Inverting the
below sentence, "I would have had to seriously consider if I wanted
to keynote at a conference _with_ a code of conduct". <br>
<br>
All that said, Darrell is raising the core questions indeed, I try
to honestly give my 2 cents:</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
> What if something genuinely awful happens? What will you do? <br>
</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>step in. done that earlier (in private situations, again: never
necessary at any conference)<br>
<br>
</div>
<div></div></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>> What about something kind of bad? How will you recognize
that, and how will you handle it? Who will do it?<br>
<div>> How do you know what’s genuinely awful and what’s “kind
of bad”? </div>
</div></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div>based on common sense and the good education my parents gave
me. Which is inherently risk prone and delicate when getting
intercultural, so requires a _lot_ of care and, if ever
possible, seeking advice from members of the cultures concretely
involved.<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
-Peter<br>
<br>
PS: sorry a scientist's response. Best just take Jachym: keep it
simple and friendly.<br>
<br>
[1] <span><span>James,
Paul; Steger, Manfred (2010). <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.academia.edu/4510893/Globalization_and_Culture_Vol._4_Ideologies_of_Globalism_editor_with_Manfred_B._Steger_Sage_Publications_London_2010" target="_blank"><i>Globalization
and Culture, Vol. 4: Ideologies of Globalism</i></a>.
London: Sage Publications.</span></span></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 01/14/2015 04:22 AM, Darrell
Fuhriman wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
I agree with Kate here, and want to emphasize this line:
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Conferences where bad things happen and there is not a clear
plan often do not fair so well.”</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It’s really great to say “can’t we just assume everyone will
be nice.” The answer is “no”. We can assume that *nearly*
everyone will be, but occasionally things happen, most of them
minor, some of them genuinely awful.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A CoC isn’t a feel good statement. It’s a public commitment
to providing a safe and welcoming environment to all members of
the community. Are you afraid of that commitment?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To be honest, I’m a lot baffled, and a more than a little
annoyed that we’re even having this conversation. That
conferences need a CoC and a plan to enforce it should be taken
for granted at this point. Really. I’m not going to have the
discussion here. It’s been had in a thousand forums already.
CoCs won. Accept it and plan for it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Examples:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>All O’Reilly Conferences: <a href="http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html" target="_blank">http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html</a></div>
<div>ApacheCon NA: <a href="http://gi106.gondor.co/code_of_conduct/" target="_blank">http://gi106.gondor.co/code_of_conduct/</a></div>
<div>PyCon: <a href="https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/</a></div>
<div>State of the Map US: <a href="http://stateofthemap.us/2014/codeofconduct/" target="_blank">http://stateofthemap.us/2014/codeofconduct/</a></div>
<div>EclipseCon: <a href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/news/code-conduct" target="_blank">https://www.eclipsecon.org/na2014/news/code-conduct</a></div>
<div>LinuxConf: <a href="http://linux.conf.au/cor/code_of_conduct" target="_blank">http://linux.conf.au/cor/code_of_conduct</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shall I go on?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>So my questions to the people who question whether a CoC is
necessary: </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What if something genuinely awful happens? What will you
do? </div>
<div>What about something kind of bad? How will you recognize
that, and how will you handle it? Who will do it?</div>
</div>
<div>How do you know what’s genuinely awful and what’s “kind of
bad”? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>These aren’t idle questions. these are exactly the kind of
things that you have to plan for. Do you have answers for them?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Darrell</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jan 11, 2015, at 19:41, Kate Chapman <<a href="mailto:kate@maploser.com" target="_blank">kate@maploser.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi All,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are people that have pledged not to attend
conferences without a code of conduct. Honestly, I
asked for one to be put in place for Nottingham. I
would have had to seriously consider if I wanted to
keynote at a conference without a code of conduct if
the team hadn't understood the need and put one in
place. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We say that things are common sense and people
should just follow that, but honestly that isn't
enough. It is important to have clear guidelines
spelled out. I've been a conferences where there was
a code of conduct where incidents did happen, but
there was a clear plan to manage them. Conferences
where bad things happen and there is not a clear
plan often do not fair so well. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The Ada Initiative has great resources for
designing a code of conduct(1). There are also many
other open source foundations we could look up to
such as the Python Foundation that have codes for
their events and have required such since 2012(2).
Recently the QGIS community adopted a code of
conduct(3), a move which I applaud. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Kate</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(1) <a href="https://adainitiative.org/2014/02/howto-design-a-code-of-conduct-for-your-community/" target="_blank">https://adainitiative.org/2014/02/howto-design-a-code-of-conduct-for-your-community/</a></div>
<div>(2) <a href="http://pyfound.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/psf-moves-to-require-code-of-conduct.html" target="_blank">http://pyfound.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/psf-moves-to-require-code-of-conduct.html</a></div>
<div>(3) <a href="https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/codeofconduct/codeofconduct.html" target="_blank">https://www.qgis.org/en/site/getinvolved/governance/codeofconduct/codeofconduct.html</a></div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:00
AM, Jachym Cepicky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I
agree with Cameron's points lower.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm also not sure, that the lack of CoC will
"lower gender diversity" (do I assume correctly,
number of female attendees will be somehow
"lower", right?) and that it's presence on the
web site automatically means welcoming
conference. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sanghee is writing it perfectly: " No
Discrimination, No Harassment are the baseline
morals of our general life to live". He also
expresses my feelings, about cultural context
difference. We should try to understand
everybody's cultural context, that's also one of
the reason, why FOSS4G is moving around the
globe and we can experience all the various
cultural aspects.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From what Sanghee is writing, I have no
doubt, LOC will try to make the conference as
open and as welcoming to *everybody* as
possible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anyway: this e-mail is not about "banning CoC
for FOSS4Gs", but asking question, whether CoC
is really *the* thing, which will safe the
conference and guarantee, that everybody will
feel great there. Do what you think, is needed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jachym<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">Thu Jan 08 2015 at
21:12:52 odesílatel Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
napsal:
<div>
<div><br>
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David,<br>
I'm in favour of a Code Of Conduct,
but suggest there should be some
tweaking of the words (if using <a href="https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct" target="_blank">https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct</a>
text)<br>
<br>
Reasons:<br>
1. At the moment, I think some wording
is a bit loose, and open to
misinterpretation between cultures and
geographic regions. What does "Sexual
images" mean? Is it nudity? Does a
photo of a field trip with naked
natives constitute a "sexual image"?
Is the clique advertisement of a
pretty sales girl standing next to a
car considered a "Sexual image"?
Should we be using a Middle East
definition of "Sexual image" or
"American" where the norm for
acceptable clothes are different? Is
wearing a mini-skirt considered
acceptable? (I don't have good words
to address this, but suspect there
would be template material somewhere
which could be used).<br>
<br>
2. We should be careful to try and
avoid attendees feeling that they are
being lectured to, as if organisors
expect attendees to be guilty. Maybe
start with, "In order to ensure a
pleasant experience for everyone, all
attendees are *expected to* ...
(instead of *required to* ...)"<br>
<br>
David,<br>
Once finalised, I suggest adding a
section about "Code of Conduct" into:
<a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook</a></div>
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br>
<br>
<div>On 9/01/2015 4:28 am, Steven
Feldman wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> There was
also a short CoC for 2013 at <a href="http://2013.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">http://2013.foss4g.org/code-of-conduct/</a> which
corresponds to the short version of
the 2015 NA CoC
<div><br>
</div>
<div>David, this is a great
initiative. Can we consider
mandating a standard (and evolving
through experience) CoC for all
FOSS4G branded events and any
other vents that claim to be
affiliated to OSGeo?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div> <span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">______<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
</span> </div>
<br>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On 8 Jan 2015, at 17:08,
David William Bitner <<a href="mailto:bitner@dbspatial.com" target="_blank">bitner@dbspatial.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Great!
Thanks Sanghee!
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Has your team
considered adding a code
of conduct to your
website? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The past two FOSS4G
global events have
included CoC's on the
website as well as
asking registrants to
agree to the CoC by a
checkbox on the
registration form.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://2014.foss4g.org/attending/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank">https://2014.foss4g.org/attending/code-of-conduct/</a><span> </span>and <a href="https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct" target="_blank">https://2015.foss4g-na.org/code-conduct</a><span> </span>are
some examples that have
been used.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We have received a
lot of positive response
from attendees since
adding these to the
conferences and have
certainly seen an impact
in gender diversity
since incorporating
CoC's into our websites
along with other
outreach and diversity
initiatives. It is a
very easy step towards
ensuring that everyone
is assured of the
expectation of a
welcoming conference! I
am sure that other past
conference chairs on
this list can speak up
to their experiences as
well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope all is going
well with planning for
the event!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sincerely,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>David</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at
10:52 AM, Sanghee Shin<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:endofcap@gmail.com" target="_blank">endofcap@gmail.com</a>></span><span> </span>wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi
David,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I’m on the
list. You can talk
to me directly. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With regards, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sanghee</div>
<div>---</div>
<div>
<div>
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<div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word">Sanghee
Shin, Chair of
FOSS4G 2015
Seoul <br>
"Toward Diversity!
FOSS4G Bigbang
from Seoul!"<br>
<a href="http://2015.foss4g.org/" target="_blank">http://2015.foss4g.org</a></div>
<div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word">Twitter:
@foss4g<br>
Facebook:
FOSS4G2015</div>
<div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word">email:<span> </span><a href="mailto:foss4gchair@osgeo.org" target="_blank">foss4gchair@osgeo.org</a></div>
<div style="text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div>2015. 1.
8., 오후 4:22,
David William
Bitner <<a href="mailto:bitner@dbspatial.com" target="_blank">bitner@dbspatial.com</a>>
작성:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Dear
Conference
Committee,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It has
recently been
brought to my
attention by a
member of our
community that
she noticed
the absence of
a Code of
Conduct for
the upcoming
Seoul FOSS4G.
I took this as
a huge sign
that the work
that has been
done by LOCs
in recent
FOSS4G,
regional OSGeo
events, and
other
technology and
geography
events towards
encouraging
diversity and
a welcoming
atmosphere to
all is indeed
being noticed.
I have also
been excited
to see based
simply on the
measure of
gender
diversity that
the numbers of
female
speakers has
been steadily
moving up over
the past
couple years.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would
like to
encourage the
Conference
Committee (and
I am
volunteering
to do much of
the leg work)
to provide
guidelines for
implementing a
Code of
Conduct at
events for all
FOSS4G/OSGeo
related events
and to include
diversity
initiatives as
part of future
calls for
proposals for
the
international
event.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I
believe it is
too late for
the conference
committee to
make any
mandates to
the Seoul
team, is there
anyone who
knows the
folks on the
LOC that would
be willing to
help me reach
out to explain
the importance
of these
initiatives?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>David</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
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