Camille:<br><br><div>who defines "bad things"? Who has authority to design any "system" ?</div><div><br></div><div>why can we not just stick with the old system, which is already in place ("common sense, parents-thought system")? The system where if something bad happens to you (and/or you personally consider it bad) either you handle it directly by yourself at the spot, or you ask authority for help, which could be either conference stuff, OSGeo board member or police officer or any other person, which is in place? </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for discussion. I'm (and there are apparently more) just expressing my doubts about necessity of such rules. And yes, it seem to be new rule, "if you make FOSS4G, you need CoC" - but it was never needed so far, AFAIK not even for last two FOSS4G. Every issue could be handled without CoC in place just based on common sense for politeness. Again: just expressing my opinion.</div><div><br></div><div>What I want to say one more time: If Seoul team things, they can not go any further without CoC, let them do it. If they do not feel so, it's their decision. Everybody is looking forward to be at nice conference, CoC is just *one of many ways*, how to setup things. I doubt, it's the best way.</div><div><br></div><div>Jachym</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">Wed Jan 14 2015 at 13:01:28 odesílatel Camille Acey <<a href="mailto:camille@boundlessgeo.com">camille@boundlessgeo.com</a>> napsal:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jachym,<div><br></div><div>I don't think we are expecting that any one action will ensure the safety and well being of every attendee but OSGeo can at least take steps to make sure we set a baseline expectation of behavior (not rules, just expectations) for the community and show that there is at least a system in place to handle bad things if/when bad or questionable things occur and are reported. </div><div><br></div><div>Just as a contributor agreement sets a baseline for those who want to make significant contributions to a certain codebase so too should a Code of Conduct set a baseline for anyone who wants to contribute to this community. In FLOSS, we know that Freedom comes and is maintained through good stewardship of the community and the project and adherence to certain principles.</div><div>Free as in free puppy not Free as in free-for-all. </div><div><br></div><div>Camille</div><div><br></div><div>On Wednesday, January 14, 2015, Jachym Cepicky <<a href="mailto:jachym.cepicky@gmail.com" target="_blank">jachym.cepicky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Darrell,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Maybe it was discussed in other communities but not in this one. I'm often annoyed by some of the discussions we have too, but saying that does not bring us anywhere.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I'm personally not convinced that existence of CoC would eliminate any offences caused by some attendees. That is my opinion. </p>
<p dir="ltr">FOSS4G is free conference organised on behalf of OSGeo. The responsibility comes from LOC to LOC every year around the globe. LOC is responsible for the conference and shall make sure, everybody will fell good at the event using instruments they feel are needed. You can (have to) convince LOC if there is something you would like to stress at FOSS4G or OSGeo. They are open to ideas, as the whole community was so far.</p>
<p dir="ltr">All I'm afraid are new rules. I personally would like FOSS4G following the KISS principle. The more rules, the farther we are from KISS, the less freedom. There already is genetic rule in this community: be kind to each other, listen to each other. </p>
<p dir="ltr">So, in the opposite of Bart, I say: we shall always keep asking, whether we need new (or old) rules and why today's set of rules is not enough.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jachym<br>
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