<p dir="ltr">not to forget: we tell everybody in the city to go to the bar, since you get the best stuff and all your friends are already there anyway</p>
<p dir="ltr">j<br>
</p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 23:54 Jeff McKenna <<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I like the bar analogy from Eli.<br>
<br>
I know many people around the world worked very hard to create that bar,<br>
to build it, to allow those to walk in recently, order a beer (easily as<br>
you said), and give them the stage with a spotlight.<br>
<br>
So let's just keep positive, and make the Seoul event the "bigbang" of<br>
the year, and then continue the bang in Bonn, and then wherever in 2017.<br>
(this is exactly my mindset, and, i personally do everything i can<br>
behind the scenes with Sanghee and Till, to help make this happen).<br>
<br>
<br>
-jeff<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2015-06-18 3:46 PM, Eli Adam wrote:<br>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Darrell Fuhriman <<a href="mailto:darrell@garnix.org" target="_blank">darrell@garnix.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If OSGeo is getting the benefits of any proceeds, they need to be assuming<br>
>>>> the liability as well.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I agree with this. I'd have to reread contracts (or get a lawyer's<br>
>>> opinion) but I think most of the liability is already largely on<br>
>>> OSGeo.<br>
>><br>
>> This was the case for Portland, and was part of the contract signed with the VTM Group (the POC) and OSGeo.<br>
><br>
> Agree.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> The LoC *couldn’t* accept any liability, because the LoC was not a legal entity, and to ask the LoC members to accept personal liability is obviously ridiculous.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> So far OSGeo’s FOSS4G operating model is essentially this:<br>
>><br>
>> 1) "Anyone want to run a conference for us?"<br>
>> 2) Choose one of the people who offer to do it and delegate<br>
>> 3) Give them a pile of money<br>
>> 4) Hope for the best<br>
>> 5) Profit(?)<br>
><br>
> If Darrell and I are in the bar, I'm prone to handing him my wallet,<br>
> saying "here's 40k, see you in a year with 100k", then I slap him on<br>
> the back and say "good luck!" His reactions range from a mild glare,<br>
> a gentle laugh, and occasionally a frothing at the mouth rant. This<br>
> model although very stressful for the LOC and chair, generally appears<br>
> to work.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> If (5) instead becomes “Lose money” that’s on OSGeo, and that’s as it should be, because if (5) is “Profit” it gets all the rewards, too.<br>
><br>
> But more seriously, yes (5) is/should not be "Profit(?)" but "Profit<br>
> or loss". As I said before, I'm not convinced that this is not<br>
> already the case. We can certainly clarify this in the RFP which will<br>
> go out soon for 2017. Feel free to join in on the RFP process<br>
> details, <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2015-May/003012.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2015-May/003012.html</a><br>
><br>
> Eli<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> If Gaia3d (presumably) is accepting any direct financial or legal liability for FOSS4G 2015 that is a *major* problem in my mind.<br>
>><br>
>> d.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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