<div dir="ltr">Hi Jeff, yes I'd support doing that. If you are willing to make the motion that would be great. I think it's an important part of OSGeo's mission to keep these videos online - from what several of us have heard from different sources, people see them as valuable. I think $200 is a small amount in the scheme of things, and this buys us some time to figure out our longer term solution.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div> Peter.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff McKenna <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com" target="_blank">jmckenna@gatewaygeomatics.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree Peter. Do you think this calls for a Board vote now, to approve the $200 payment from the OSGeo Treasurer? Let me know and I will start that vote if needed.<br>
<br>
-jeff<span class=""><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2015-09-23 5:51 PM, Peter Batty wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college courses and<br>
he said that he regularly makes use of this material and would really<br>
like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously consider<br>
spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term (for one<br>
more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.<br>
<br>
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi <<a href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com" target="_blank">sara@sarasafavi.com</a><br></span><span class="">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com" target="_blank">sara@sarasafavi.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi all --<br>
<br>
I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to<br>
others, but until the issue is settled is it possible for us to<br>
retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost<br>
in the ether until the account is renewed?<br>
<br>
I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had<br>
someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online.<br>
They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by<br>
chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't).<br>
Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily affect more than<br>
just myself & my PDX talk.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Sara<br>
<br>
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman<br></span><span class="">
<<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and<br>
volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc).<br>
Using multiple services is going to become very cumbersome and<br>
is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless the video<br>
volunteers have a lot of time available.<br>
<br>
Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at<br>
FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the<br>
effort involved in having downloadable archives with the<br>
likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of maintaining them.<br>
<br>
<br>
______<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)<br>
<<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a><br></span><span class="">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
(I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this<br>
to the GENERAL list)<br>
<br>
Hi Andrew,<br>
<br>
But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.<br>
<br>
No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only<br>
that they are not obviously made known by the YouTube<br>
service. I’ve known for a long time how to download from<br>
YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an explanation how to<br>
do so as on other sites.<br>
<br>
Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even<br>
though they may allow it. And I’m not totally convince, after<br>
I went back and read their usage agreement again. Still a<br>
little foggy on the reuse aspects.<br>
<br>
I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on<br>
service as a repository. Maybe require two or three different<br>
free services to be used would be the best approach.<br>
<br>
bobb<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross<br></span><div><div class="h5">
<<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Dear Bob,<br>
<br>
Some of this may be things you & others may already know.<br>
<br>
The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it &<br>
even automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see<br>
info about this.<br>
<br>
For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared<br>
trivially via. email or social media and embedded into any<br>
external site. This is very common and a good idea.<br>
<br>
Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best<br>
practice to complete meta data for the video (talk title,<br>
description) and tag the videos with keywords (project,<br>
topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes them a lot easier<br>
to find and relate to other talks shared by other people on<br>
the same topics.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
A<br>
<br>
On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
All,<br>
<br>
I like to think of these types of media as a Library of<br>
sorts. And keeping them available is in the best interests<br>
of the community. I have no way of calculating the benefits<br>
however.<br>
<br>
Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them),<br>
there are defaults like 15min length, etc. Things that the<br>
average joe may have problems with as far as uploading<br>
something. The limit can be increased, but that would<br>
require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.<br>
<br>
Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to<br>
projects be best accomplished with YouTube? Via an outside<br>
database, or?? I ask this now since it’s seems relevant if<br>
this topic leads to it’s logical conclusion of bringing<br>
media together into a single repository.<br>
<br>
bobb<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald<br></div></div>
<<a href="mailto:gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr" target="_blank">gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr" target="_blank">gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr</a>>><span class=""><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
David,<br>
I personally feel that it is better to react than doing<br>
nothing,even if,as you said "the technology is moving<br>
fast", still many did so amazing work that we should keep<br>
trace of it …<br>
<br>
Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so<br>
loved SAC community without expensing at least a small<br>
amount of money …Sorry I know I spoke too much about it<br>
during this week, but still … if our president deserve to<br>
have some income, SAC do deserve also !<br>
<br>
So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?<br>
<br>
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Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <<a href="mailto:percyd@pdx.edu" target="_blank">percyd@pdx.edu</a><br></span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:percyd@pdx.edu" target="_blank">percyd@pdx.edu</a>>> a écrit :<span class=""><br>
<br>
It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our<br>
own servers, in addition to a public consumption interface<br>
like one of the services we have been discussing.<br>
This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship<br>
issue. We need to perhaps have a longer view... With<br>
content tags and stuff. But not so difficult that it<br>
becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore never<br>
gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal<br>
already?<br>
<br>
Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the<br>
rapidly changing technology.<br>
<br>
In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc<br>
status that it is, and just let each LOC deal with it.<br>
Just a thought,<br>
Percy<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman<br></span><span class="">
<<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want<br>
our content to have the widest possible real, won’t that<br>
come through YouTube?<br>
______<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross<br>
<<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a><br></span><span class="">
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<br>
Bob,<br>
<br>
They are creative commons licensed and downloading is<br>
trivial. Just landed returning from Seoul so I'll post<br>
how to do so tomorrow.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
A<br>
<br>
On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob<br>
(CI-StPaul)" <<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a><br></span><span class="">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>>> wrote:<br>
Andrew,<br>
<br>
I have a problem with the YouTube License. Once it’s up<br>
there, they get to use it however they want, forever.<br>
<br>
Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading<br>
anything for saving as a local copy from YouTube (at<br>
least not legally).<br>
<br>
Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees<br>
your content., etc. I’ll be the first to admit though,<br>
that not everyone will care about this, until they do,<br>
and then it will be too late.<br>
<br>
bobb<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross<br>
<<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a><br></span><span class="">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the<br>
search/indexing can't be beat.<br>
<br>
I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no<br>
contest.. YouTube wins imho.<br>
<br>
A<br>
<br>
On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman<br></span><span class="">
<<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?<br>
<br>
Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Steven<br>
<br>
<br></span>
<a href="tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101" value="+447958924101" target="_blank">+44 (0) 7958 924101</a> <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101><span class=""><br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman<br></span><span class="">
<<a href="mailto:darrell@garnix.org" target="_blank">darrell@garnix.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:darrell@garnix.org" target="_blank">darrell@garnix.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Aww crap.<br>
<br>
Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took<br>
some of the videos offline. I didn’t think that was<br>
going to happen — I guess I mis-read the consequences.<br>
<br>
FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and<br>
consolidate all the foss4g videos there (including the<br>
forthcoming 2015).<br>
<br>
Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay<br>
for? It’s $200/year.<br>
<br>
Darrell<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)<br>
<<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a><br></span><span class="">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Edit . . .<br>
<br>
Oops, I mean just FOSS4G. Looks like a few of the<br>
videos that were on Vimeo have gone missing, besides<br>
mine. At least based on the links from here: Maybe<br>
something has changed on Vimeo??<br>
<br>
<a href="http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
bobb<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)<br>
<<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a><br></span><span class="">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
All,<br>
<br>
I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from<br>
FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)<br>
<br>
I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to<br>
be missing. It used to be there. Unless I’m using a<br>
bad search filter . . .<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
bobb<br>
<br>
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