<div dir="ltr">I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college courses and he said that he regularly makes use of this material and would really like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously consider spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term (for one more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sara@sarasafavi.com" target="_blank">sara@sarasafavi.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all --<div><br></div><div>I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to others, but until the issue is settled is it possible for us to retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost in the ether until the account is renewed?</div><div><br></div><div>I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online. They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't). Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily affect more than just myself & my PDX talk.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Sara</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Bob<div><br></div><div>Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc). Using multiple services is going to become very cumbersome and is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless the video volunteers have a lot of time available.</div><div><br></div><div>Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the effort involved in having downloadable archives with the likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of maintaining them.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>(I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this to the GENERAL list) <br><br>Hi Andrew,<br><br>But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.<br><br>No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only that they are not obviously made known by the YouTube service. I’ve known for a long time how to download from YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an explanation how to do so as on other sites.<br><br>Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even though they may allow it. And I’m not totally convince, after I went back and read their usage agreement again. Still a little foggy on the reuse aspects.<br><br>I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on service as a repository. Maybe require two or three different free services to be used would be the best approach.<br><br>bobb<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross <<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>Dear Bob,<br><br>Some of this may be things you & others may already know.<br><br>The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it & even automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see info about this.<br><br>For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared trivially via. email or social media and embedded into any external site. This is very common and a good idea.<br><br>Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best practice to complete meta data for the video (talk title, description) and tag the videos with keywords (project, topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes them a lot easier to find and relate to other talks shared by other people on the same topics.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>A<br><br>On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">All,<br><br>I like to think of these types of media as a Library of sorts. And keeping them available is in the best interests of the community. I have no way of calculating the benefits however.<br><br>Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them), there are defaults like 15min length, etc. Things that the average joe may have problems with as far as uploading something. The limit can be increased, but that would require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.<br><br>Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to projects be best accomplished with YouTube? Via an outside database, or?? I ask this now since it’s seems relevant if this topic leads to it’s logical conclusion of bringing media together into a single repository.<br><br>bobb<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald <<a href="mailto:gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr" target="_blank">gerald.fenoy@geolabs.fr</a>> wrote:<br><br>David,<br>I personally feel that it is better to react than doing nothing,even if,as you said "the technology is moving fast", still many did so amazing work that we should keep trace of it …<br><br>Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so loved SAC community without expensing at least a small amount of money …Sorry I know I spoke too much about it during this week, but still … if our president deserve to have some income, SAC do deserve also !<br><br>So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <<a href="mailto:percyd@pdx.edu" target="_blank">percyd@pdx.edu</a>> a écrit :<br><br>It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our own servers, in addition to a public consumption interface like one of the services we have been discussing.<br>This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship issue. We need to perhaps have a longer view... With content tags and stuff. But not so difficult that it becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore never gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal already?<br><br>Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the rapidly changing technology.<br><br>In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc status that it is, and just let each LOC deal with it.<br>Just a thought,<br>Percy<br><br><br>On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman <<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want our content to have the widest possible real, won’t that come through YouTube?<br>______<br>Steven<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross <<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>Bob,<br><br>They are creative commons licensed and downloading is trivial. Just landed returning from Seoul so I'll post how to do so tomorrow.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>A<br><br>On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)" <<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>> wrote:<br>Andrew,<br><br>I have a problem with the YouTube License. Once it’s up there, they get to use it however they want, forever.<br><br>Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading anything for saving as a local copy from YouTube (at least not legally).<br><br>Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees your content., etc. I’ll be the first to admit though, that not everyone will care about this, until they do, and then it will be too late.<br><br>bobb<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross <<a href="mailto:andrew.ross@eclipse.org" target="_blank">andrew.ross@eclipse.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the search/indexing can't be beat.<br><br>I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no contest.. YouTube wins imho.<br><br>A<br><br>On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman <<a href="mailto:shfeldman@gmail.com" target="_blank">shfeldman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?<br><br>Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost<br><br>Regards<br>Steven<br><br><br><a href="tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101" value="+447958924101" target="_blank">+44 (0) 7958 924101</a><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman <<a href="mailto:darrell@garnix.org" target="_blank">darrell@garnix.org</a>> wrote:<br><br>Aww crap.<br><br>Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took some of the videos offline. I didn’t think that was going to happen — I guess I mis-read the consequences.<br><br>FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and consolidate all the foss4g videos there (including the forthcoming 2015).<br><br>Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay for? It’s $200/year.<br><br>Darrell<br><br><br><br>On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>> wrote:<br><br>Edit . . .<br><br>Oops, I mean just FOSS4G. Looks like a few of the videos that were on Vimeo have gone missing, besides mine. At least based on the links from here: Maybe something has changed on Vimeo??<br><br><a href="http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html" target="_blank">http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html</a><br><br><br><br>bobb<br><br><br><br>On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>> wrote:<br><br>All,<br><br>I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)<br><br>I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to be missing. It used to be there. 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